Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Anarnee]

Did new players really had a choice for the past 5 years ?
If this community didn't have enough jerks to make this roulette clearly a problem, they wouldn't have to put that kind of solution. Which, again, is still offering nice rewards for the time you spend on it.

It's a worthless reward to me, 400 poetics? I've been capped on poetics since before Sb. The roulette was put in place because no one was running those dungeons. I'd rather they got rid of the roulette again, rather than make the scenes un-skipable. This is ten steps backwards.

You don't care about peoples experiences, don't pretend like you do now after trying to shut people down for trying to give their pov.

Not everyone has been a jerk in the community, and no one else should have to suffer for what SE themselves implemented poorly.

[Coratanni]

Getting rid of an optional roulette, because you dont like it. Just more sense of entitlement from younger gamers. You can ignore the roulette. You can even skip the dungeons with a story skip potion if an hour out of your mmo life is so detrimental to you. I would rather you story skip and never queue for that roulette again, as you are one of the reasons this change was put into place.

[Anarnee]

Getting rid of an optional roulette, because you dont like it. Just more sense of entitlement from younger gamers. You can ignore the roulette. You can even skip the dungeons with a story skip potion if an hour out of your mmo life is so detrimental to you. I would rather you story skip and never queue for that roulette again, as you are one of the reasons this change was put into place.

That is exactly what I said I would do and yet you continue to attack me for my input. I'm not being anymore entitled than you are. My experience of the game is being changed. I wouldn't care if the changes ONLY effected the roulette. But I can't even skip them in a premade group if I ask a friend to solo me through. I don't have to do the Main scenario roulette, I don't do it anymore, but now anytime that I'm going to have to run these dungeons, I have to sit through something that in the past I could just skip.


I've NEVER pressured any new people to skip the scenes, and as I said on the page past which I'm sure you're ignoring to keep pushing this notion that we're such villi ans for not wanting to sit through CS, I've helped many players with runs so they can enjoy the experience. But sure, I'm the only entitled one because in my free time leveling my own characters I don't want something being forced on me.

Now I have to pay $20 for it, and miss other parts of the story that I don't mind. And I don't like that. So yes, I'm going to let SE know this is not the change they should have made.

This is a game we ALL put money into, and my POV is just as valid thank you.

[Reynhart]

It's a worthless reward to me, 400 poetics? I've been capped on poetics since before Sb. The roulette was put in place because no one was running those dungeons. I'd rather they got rid of the roulette again, rather than make the scenes un-skipable. This is ten steps backwards.

No, your idea is ten steps backwards. If you don't need the roulette, then don't do it. Don't assume that everyone shouldn't be able to run it because you don't like and don't need it.

You don't care about peoples experiences, don't pretend like you do now after trying to shut people down for trying to give their pov.

Don't speak about things you don't know, you're only making a fool of yourself. And I don't "shut people down". It's just that lots of people complain that the game is dead because this and this, and, months later they're still paying they subscription like good sheep. And I'm pretty sure you'll be there with your 8 characters, too.

Not everyone has been a jerk in the community, and no one else should have to suffer for what SE themselves implemented poorly.

Again, if you don't need the roulette, why do you pretend suffering from this ? No one forces you to run it.

[Anarnee]

No, your idea is ten steps backwards. If you don't need the roulette, then don't do it. Don't assume that everyone shouldn't be able to run it because you don't like and don't need it.

Don't speak about things you don't know, you're only making a fool of yourself. And I don't "shut people down". It's just that lots of people complain that the game is dead because this and this, and, months later they're still paying they subscription like good sheep. And I'm pretty sure you'll be there with your 8 characters, too.

Again, if you don't need the roulette, why do you pretend suffering from this ? No one forces you to run it.

Lets start at the beginning of the five years.

No one queued for Prae or CM because there was no reward for doing it that was worth it to anyone. At first people chain ran it for tomes, and newbies got left behind still. Then no one ran it anymore, because those tomes were worthless.

SEs solution. MS Roulette. Queue times fixed. It is being ran over and over. But the problem still remains, newbies are being left behind.

Now years later, as a result of this roulette. Both CM and Prae have MANDATORY CS. Regardless of if you run it in the roulette or not.

It's not just about roulette, its about the two MSQ dungeons, having the cutscenes unskippable NO MATTER WHAT.

And if the roulette queue dies off, this queue will be fed by the Mentor roulette. Which I do from time to time. I set aside a lot of time for mentor roulette, because I've gotten many EX primals in it. Nidhogg, Ifrit, Bismark, Ramuh, Garuda, all of the past extreme primals. I would rather get, and throw my face at for an hour.

No. I'm watching 30mins of CS in Prae.

You did try to shut me down. If saying "Considering you already spend so much time leveling 8 characters, you'll do those dungeons for each of them when the time comes, even if you don't like it, so it won't change anything wether you complain or not." Isn't a "shut up you'll do it and stop complaining." comment I don't know what is.

It's effecting MORE than that one roulette, It's affecting anyone deciding they want to go through the main story again even if they don't run the failed roulette.

[Jijifli]

Did new players really had a choice for the past 5 years ?

Are you going to pretend this gave a new player choice? Technically they have even less of a choice, because before the change they could have gotten a party together to see the cutscenes if they wanted to. Now if a new player didn't want to see the 50 cutscenes, they don't get a word on it. THEIR opinion didn't seem to matter.

[Vstarstruck]

OK, I can understand that line of thinking. But as I said, how likely is it that they're going to retract that stance and suddenly decide that now 5 year old content needs a rework of that magnitude? I'm not saying your suggestion wouldn't work, just that adjustments to what they've actually done are more likely tohappen and would be an easier "sale" for them to adopt. This team is far from infallible, but you get things done with compromise, not with demanding your way or nothing. We understand they are incredibly resistant to changing the actual run, they've settled for fiddling with the nitty gritty of flipping switches in the gates. What would be the best configuration of those switches to make the most people happy? Right now.. admitted after further information, not this one. There is no option to run it quickly anymore so that needs to be put back. But the roulette part I believe can be left alone unless they are irrevocably linked.





I'm sorry did it cover too many things that you actually said? I'm done with you then.
you're obviously ignoring things that disagree with you and posting poorly worded garbage. If you'd read ANYTHING in between those posts you'd have seen we've already found unsynched still has the cutscene limit which I concede is a problem.
I will be ignoring the majority of your further posts since you reply to valid criticism with plugged ears. Hope that's what you were going for.

Let it sink in for a second no one is hardly agreeing with you, and I am not really counting Reynhar because he is just trolling with strawmans. If you are just going to ignore what people say then what is the worth even having a conversation? This change does more harm then good overall because all it achieves is increasing queue times for new players. It is also dumb as heck you can't skip undersized entry, something you chose not to even comment on the issue there.

I am going to be blunt, there was nothing wrong with the old way other then people not knowing how to talk to each other when having a new person in this particular duty. It is a community issue more then anything and this change by development does not help it. Healers and tanks have short queues,... for now... but dps is already insanely longer.

The reason I said I was not going to reply to that post is because it was just flaming and angry nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic.

This change helps NO ONE!! other a select few cases where people have issues talking to each other. This change happened just because of a few outspoken minority while taking a shortcut to address it. non-skippable CS to fix a social problem is not a fix at all.

In the end, esp to @Reynhar, who did not understand what I was saying. When I said it harms more then it helps, I also mean it harms new players trying to get this done since less people will be willing to queue for it. It also does not make sense to put the CS not skippable and go at your own pace unsyncing it. This change did not do any good at all. When you unsync, you should have the right on how slow or fast you want to read it, not have it auto scroll.

Are you going to pretend this gave a new player choice? Technically they have even less of a choice, because before the change they could have gotten a party together to see the cutscenes if they wanted to. Now if a new player didn't want to see the 50 cutscenes, they don't get a word on it. THEIR opinion didn't seem to matter.

Exactly, some "new players" got a friend or two to try hold the group hostage, that is more toxic then any accuse being presented against speed runners since they could unsync it and went at their own pace. Are we done with the stawmans, Reynhart ?

Once again I have to bring up, there are also new players that skip it on their own, or just take the view inn advice too. This campaign of, "we need cs not skippable because it brings problems" is a very minor amount of instances, and a lot of times that happens because people can't communicate to each other, or willing to kick people causing problems in them. It is not hard to kick the tank that brings full trains to the boss and keeps locking people out of fights and continues to do so when told to slow down.

[Reynhart]

Now years later, as a result of this roulette. Both CM and Prae have MANDATORY CS. Regardless of if you run it in the roulette or not.
It's not just about roulette, its about the two MSQ dungeons, having the cutscenes unskippable NO MATTER WHAT.

Yes, and if you don't run the roulette, it means you'll do these dungeons once per character. Considering you start playing FFXIV in 2013, you're likely to have dozens of days of playtime if not hundres, meaning that the time you will lose is only an insignificant fraction of your playtime. In fact, I'm pretty sure you already lost more time to lag in all your playtime than you will by not being able to skip the cutscenes.

You did try to shut me down. If saying "Considering you already spend so much time leveling 8 characters, you'll do those dungeons for each of them when the time comes, even if you don't like it, so it won't change anything wether you complain or not." Isn't a "shut up you'll do it and stop complaining." comment I don't know what is.

That's the thing, you can complain, but if you still pay your subcription, it's basically the same wether you complain or not. And, by having the courage/patience/sillyness (pick one) of leveling eight characters, there's literally no chance you will put all of this to waste because you'll have to do those dungeons again.

But on the other end, all those new players will have a real experience when running those dungeons, that won't be ruined by happy trigger players.
Oh, and by the way, if your other 7 characters didn't do those yet, they're probably not capped on poetics, and, obviously, not level 70. Did I mention that this roulette is a good option to gain both a decent amount of XP and a decent amount of poetics that will allow you to buy the best level 50 and level 60 gear for all those characters ?

When I said it harms more then it helps, I also mean it harms new players trying to get this done since less people will be willing to queue for it.

An assumption which is, again, based on no fact at all.

Exactly, some "new players" got a friend or two to try hold the group hostage, that is more toxic then any accuse being presented against speed runners since they could unsync it and went at their own pace. Are we done with the stawmans, Reynhart ?

It's funny because everyone tries to make a rule with a sample so little it's basically worthless, but pretend they know the general consensus on the community better than the people who actually have the best sample to analyze...do you really think they would have put that solution if only 1/1000th new players complained about that issue ?
Oh, and yes, to ensure that these dungeons are tackled according to their story relevance, let's run them in unsync to make them even less engaging...what a great solution !

[Vstarstruck]

meaning that the time you will lose is only an insignificant fraction of your playtime. In fact, I'm pretty sure you already lost more time to lag in all your playtime than you will by not being able to skip the cutscenes.

I bet you are wondering why I said your consistently throwing out stawmans when you make statements like this? Do you even understand why people are here telling SE to take this change out of the game?

[Reynhart]

I bet you are wondering why I said your consistently throwing out stawmans when you make statements like this? Do you even understand why people are here telling SE to take this change out of the game?

Considering that more than half of this topic has been written before even knowing how this roulette would roll, a good portion spread misinformation on the value of the reward versus the time, and another good portion think it clever to make those solo duties just because they don't want to run the roulette, preventing people who like that roulette to experience it (because reasons, I guess), most people here complain without having experienced any real issue yet.