Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Krotoan]

Some people care about efficiency because they have other things to do. For those people, they will not touch the MSQ roulette.

Yeah, and those people were ruining the experience for the new people trying to see the story.

A lot of people posting in this thread are saying how it's not worth your time anymore. If you HAD to skip all the cutscenes before , you were part of the problem that SE is trying to fix. Now with cross server queuing, they're probably seeing if only the people who are willing to put in the extra time will be enough.

If not the system will probably revert, especially if new people start complaining about the MSQ queue. I don't think i've seen that yet, but it's super early to be judging that metric.

There are plenty of other roulettes available for the XP-per-minute crew.

[CheeseHound]

I cannot spend an hour in a single roulette. As someone with limited hours of play a night, some days that I cannot play at all, this really kills my ability to get poetics for old content [ anima, secondary class gear, so on ] any faster than the current tier tomestones- which I have to spend my limited time getting ALSO.

As someone mentioned barely 15 minutes of a Praetorium is actually spent physically playing the game. Being made to watch non-interactive scenes I've already seen and can go readily watch in the inn at my own leisure whenever I want seems like a large waste of my small bit of time. So there's one less tank/healer that is going to be able to pull new people through MSQ.

Just my perspective.

[Vstarstruck]

Yeah, and those people were ruining the experience for the new people trying to see the story.

No they where not, and I guess having no queue or 30 minute queue is better then 5 Minutes. From my experiences (someone that tries to speak up when there is any kind of drama) tends to get things sorted, because of this, I feel people overblow the situation because they do not know how to communicate, or kicking people that are causing trouble (pulling way too fast, being rude at elevators, etc) I seen "toxicity" on the reverse end too, a friend or two trying to hold the run hostage (a lot of times this is done with a friend being max level) where they could of just unsync it and not cause problems for 6 other people.

With your tone, I wouldn't be shocked if you where part of that group. I did not cause problems for people, do not dare say such things to me. This is you making a post where your sig quote fits you well, is that why you do not understand the saying? Maybe you run into people telling you a lot for a reason.

With your last line I addressed that, I did not know we where talking about the individual looking for the best exp. We were talking about making the roulette appealing to experienced players so new players were not waiting a long time in queue.

I cannot spend an hour in a single roulette. As someone with limited hours of play a night, some days that I cannot play at all, this really kills my ability to get poetics for old content ....

....whenever I want seems like a large waste of my small bit of time. So there's one less tank/healer that is going to be able to pull new people through MSQ.

Just my perspective.

I am sure that is insanely common

Do you watch a movie, the same movie 1-3 times a day for a month? 2 months? even a movie you love a lot, doing that will make you hate at some point, the breaking point of that is different from person to person but it does not change a breaking point does exist. Queue times will skyrocket after a point when people are done "testing it" because it is simply boring to do the same thing over and over and over again , reading the same text/story cuz you know what happens.

You cannot blame people for skipping the CS.

Perhaps, then, it's simply not going to be Lv70 players doing the majority of 'helping' here. It'll be people who do still have jobs to level from 50 to 70. They help the newcomers through, the ex-newcomers join the ranks of helpers (if they want to), and it just continues like that for so long as there are new players (or alt characters) working through the MSQ.

used to, not anymore, very unlikely.

Do people actually check the rewards ?
MSQ roulette gives 200.
Meridianum gives 120.
Praetorium gives 200.

New player bonus is on top of those.

implying max level players care about poetics in the first place, and if they do they run ARF or something.

[Krotoan]

No they where not, and I guess having no queue or 30 minute queue is better then 5 Minutes. From my experiences (someone that tries to speak up when there is any kind of drama) tends to get things sorted, because of this, I feel people overblow the situation because they do not know how to communicate, or kicking people that are causing trouble (pulling way too fast, being rude at elevators, etc) I seen "toxicity" on the reverse end too, a friend or two trying to hold the run hostage (a lot of times this is done with a friend being max level) where they could of just unsync it and not cause problems for 6 other people.
With your tone, I wouldn't be shocked if you where part of that group. I did not cause problems for people, do not dare say such things to me. This is you making a post where your sig quote fits you well, is that why you do not understand the saying? Maybe you run into people telling you a lot for a reason.

With your last line I addressed that, I did not know we where talking about the individual looking for the best exp. We were talking about making the roulette appealing to experienced players so new players were not waiting a long time in queue.

Where =/= WERE.
Where = a question or a statement of place.
Were= to formerly be.

.... Deny it all you like , besides weren't you done on the 6th? That was the last thing you posted in your own quitting thread about how you were going to quit since this game was soooo horrible and the devs are so greedy and oh they should make it like this game or that game , this is alpha-test level, they should be ashamed and this game is stuck in 2000 standards... .. Why does this matter to someone leaving the game?




Or you're NOT quitting and just posting things to whine. You do not speak up for drama, you create drama.

TONE?? what was offensive about my original post? Now I'm going to state things in a harsher manner because YES. I. DARE. I will state things how I see them and if I find I'm wrong I'll apologize, but everything that has been done to this roulette supports my observation. You keep making assumptions about my character and habits. I've run all these quests for people and NEVER skipped the CS unless someone else did first. If someone politely asked for the zerg to wait, I waited. Do NOT make judgements about my character without reason. I spend HOURS with learning parties doing encounters I know I can farm with others because it SUCKS trying to find another person to fill and hey, I'm enjoying playing the game and I like the fact I'm helping out.


The people who rushed others through it WERE the ones who were there for quick XP. I never said it was WRONG, or that they should BE ASHAMED. Just that the people who wanted a quick blob of xp and tomes are NOT the people that SE wants running this particular MSQ stuff. They want the people doing the quest to experience the cutscenes at a decent pace and be able to enjoy the story. Being part of a PROBLEM doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad person or evil or even impatient. Wanting quick xp is fine. Wanting quick tomes is fine. This roulette is just NOT for that anymore and if you ask for them to take it back to that or whine that it's not as efficient as it used to be you're obviously the kind of person who doesn't care about the experience of the newer players running alongside you and just cares about your xp per minute which is TOTALLY FINE, I may not agree with that philosophy but it doesn't make it WRONG. The changes made make it quite obvious that if the roulette doesn't meet your standards for leveling then this should no longer be a part of your roulette rotation. It appeals to those who would like to help, have some time and are ok with earning a decent amount of xp and poetic tomes (which are still useful post 70).

DON'T queue if it's too low. If it gets slow enough SE will change things. They can measure these things and if newer players start complaining then things will be changed. It is far to soon to say this has killed or improved the MSQ queue.

[BillyKaplan]

the problem that SE is trying to fix

Let's revisit this statement, shall we? The problem in this case is "New players are in the roulette and want to see cutscenes and enjoy the duty as it was intended".
But sadly, that's a very specific case. More often than not you'll likely find no new players in that duty, new players who don't care about cutscenes, or new alts who have seen the cutscenes dozens of times before and couldn't care less.
It doesn't even matter how well this solution solves or doesn't solve the problem SE set out to 'fix' - it actually ignores the majority of scenarios and therefore is severely lacking.

[BillyKaplan]

The thing is that new players that like to see cutscenes were frequently forced to follow the fast pace, now they're free to enjoy the run as they see fit.

Criticizing this new solution which makes people not run the roulette (a direct contradiction of why it was even put up in the first place) does not mean people here think things were fine before. You can leave that sort of strawman argument at the door. The fact remains this so called solution caters to the minority of people who run those places. And no, they can't enjoy the run as they see fit, no one can, we all have to watch the scenes in their entirety whether they like it or not. The newbies who want the scenes can't even watch it at their own pace since they're auto scrolling.

[Reynhart]

Criticizing this new solution which makes people not run the roulette (a direct contradiction of why it was even put up in the first place) does not mean people here think things were fine before. You can leave that sort of strawman argument at the door. The fact remains this so called solution caters to the minority of people who run those places.

Problem is, in a story driven game like this one, the first time you run these dungeons should be a memorable one. And it's more important to safeguard this that to keep offering this method of leveling/farming for experienced players when there are dozens of other ones. And again, if you need both Xp and poetic tomestone, it's still a very good option, even for experienced players.

Frankly, for these two, I'd even double the reward to force an item sync, preventing people from facerolling it, since it kills a lot of the tension.

[BillyKaplan]

Problem is, in a story driven game like this one, the first time you run these dungeons should be a memorable one.

You're right, which is why I ran the place unsynced with my FC buddies. But there's more than one way to solve this.
You know what would've also been epic? Running the place with the GC's elites in a solo duty. No queues to worry about, go at your own pace. This literally solves all issues and improves the experience besides.

And again, if you need both Xp and poetic tomestone, it's still a very good option, even for experienced players.

The duty is still hardly interactive which is very offputting for a lot of people, regardless of awards. Plus it's way long and people will not have the time to add it to their daily routine.

[Reynhart]

You know what would've also been epic? Running the place with the GC's elites in a solo duty. No queues to worry about, go at your own pace. This literally solves all issues and improves the experience besides.

Who knows, maybe one day they'll increase the squadron size to full party and allow us to run these along with trials. But if that happens, they can simply delete the MSQ roulette.

The duty is still hardly interactive which is very offputting for a lot of people, regardless of awards.

Frankly, to this day, I still think Meridianum is the best designed dungeon of the game, no being shaped like a "straight line" and having you interact with the environnement, either by using the cannons, deactivating the alarm, or avoided the tracking lights.