Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Cakekizyy]

Experience? You don't get experience at 70 though?

Let us bank xp on capped jobs to give to lower jobs.

[Rokke]

All I see happening here is players avoiding msq roulette like the plague and new players leaving after not being able to pass that quest for an extended period of time.

Thats the saddest part, imo. Players who were running it for exp have tons of ways to level up, so to them this change is just one less daily. New players, however, need to get through those 2 dungeons to progress and they're the ones that will be stuck dealing with the lack of players running it.

[Skitz470]

I really dont understand the whole "Make cutscenes unskippable so newbies can enjoy them". With that mindset why make ANY cutscenes skippable then? Lets make the cutscene before normal Ifrit unskippable then (the whole damn like 15 minute long video....) so newbies can enjoy it. I know it sounds harsh but yeah.....there's the book at the inn! The ONLY thing that the player misses out on using the book is that they are the only one in the video instead of it showing like 7 other people around them. That's it. An extra 80 tomes does not "accomodate" for an extra 30-40 minutes probably that a run will take now....not to mention Im sure a lot of people will simply refuse to do them....so then you have the additional issue of increased queue times for it for the ones who HAVE to do it. Seriously, between this and some of the things with the glamour wardrobe I get the feeling that SE really isn't thinking some of the changes through for 4.2

[Joe777]

Yes, new players will be getting a lot out of this, a lot of time sitting on a queue.

You think that's any different than it is now? Because it's not. And if you think literally no one will queue to help new players out then you are wrong. There will always be people out there willing to help people get through a dungeon if they ask for help, happens all the time in Novice Network. Besides, everyone knows the hype and complaints are overdone before a new patch so watch and see, it won't be nearly as bad as you think it will be.

A few weeks ago I did these on an alt with my GF. We had a tank. The queue was 12 minutes. WITH A TANK!

Imagine how much longer it'll take once people, like you said, "notice it's not worth the time."

Not that much longer than it already does, actually.

I really dont understand the whole "Make cutscenes unskippable so newbies can enjoy them". With that mindset why make ANY cutscenes skippable then? Lets make the cutscene before normal Ifrit unskippable then (the whole damn like 15 minute long video....) so newbies can enjoy it. I know it sounds harsh but yeah.....there's the book at the inn! The ONLY thing that the player misses out on using the book is that they are the only one in the video instead of it showing like 7 other people around them. That's it. An extra 80 tomes does not "accomodate" for an extra 30-40 minutes probably that a run will take now....not to mention Im sure a lot of people will simply refuse to do them....so then you have the additional issue of increased queue times for it for the ones who HAVE to do it. Seriously, between this and some of the things with the glamour wardrobe I get the feeling that SE really isn't thinking some of the changes through for 4.2

Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium are basically the only instances in the game where you pretty much walk through a theater. In the case of cutscenes elsewhere it's mainly boss entrances and cutscenes before an instance commences, in which you're locked in a circle of light anyway.

[Skitz470]

Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium are basically the only instances in the game where you pretty much walk through a theater. In the case of cutscenes elsewhere it's mainly boss entrances and cutscenes before an instance commences, in which you're locked in a circle of light anyway.

True, but my point was that newbies can and do skip those cutscenes so that they dont keep the rest of the group sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Yeah the dungeon intro's arent that bad, but again, some dungeons (ifrit, the final boss of thousand maws) if someone is there for the MSQ there are some pretty lengthy cutscenes. Also, what if the newbie(s) themselves want to skip the cutscenes? Say they wanted to do it before they have to leave for work or something then watch the cutscenes when they get home and can enjoy them. Nope, going to have to hold off on doing that because you dont have an entire hour available to (as the quote puts it) go on a theater ride.

[AngelCheese77]

Would you feel the same way when you queue and get the dreaded: "Average wait time: More than 30 minutes"? Because that will inevitably happen now.

You can harp on people not being selfless but these cut scenes are upwards of an hour long. You can't reasonably expect a group of random strangers to just wait around that long while you watch cut scenes.

I get that all the time as a DPS ... I just watch You Tube or read a book until my turn comes up .... heck I've waited over 80 minutes and no one wanted to do Urth's Fount with me /cries

[DevonEllwood]

I haven’t read the whole thread but are they also disabling the chat box? If not then people may just get harassed to click faster through the dialogue.

[AngelCheese77]

The thing is, you can't just go alt-tab for a bit, look at video or something cause you have to click the cutscene dialogue, nor you can just be idle and do a little silly dance or check inventory or anything really.
I do help MSQ runs in PF when I see such but watching these cutscenes over and over every time will be bit too much.

There is an option if you hit .. Spacebar I believe (don't know on console) to have the text auto run for you ... meaning after a certain amount of time with the moving circle countdown, it goes to the next section. So Alt+Tab or whatever as it runs though. Still .. unskippable is a dumb idea.

[Joe777]

True, but my point was that newbies can and do skip those cutscenes so that they dont keep the rest of the group sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Yeah the dungeon intro's arent that bad, but again, some dungeons (ifrit, the final boss of thousand maws) if someone is there for the MSQ there are some pretty lengthy cutscenes. Also, what if the newbie(s) themselves want to skip the cutscenes? Say they wanted to do it before they have to leave for work or something then watch the cutscenes when they get home and can enjoy them. Nope, going to have to hold off on doing that because you dont have an entire hour available to (as the quote puts it) go on a theater ride.

It's pretty much always been all or nothing when it comes to these 2 instances though. SE is just removing the "nothing". Sure they'll forever be a great source of torment for many and a blight upon FF14's group instances in regards to clearing places quickly but until the day SE decides it shall no longer be a thing you do with other players or decides to remove the cutscenes or just plain integrate the cutscenes into part of the duty whuddyagunnado?

[AngelCheese77]

They're still going to be yelled at to spam through the CS like everyone else and will get vote kicked when they don't.

This is the player toxcicity someone was talking about. The players of the game are the ones who took it upon themselves to tell new sprouts to skip the CSs and watch in an Inn or be kicked.

Sorry, but that would stop me more from playing a game than having SE make me wait a bit longer for queue times.

And yes, I am one of those people who will continue to do MSQ roulettes, cause this doesn't bother me at all.