Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Louvain]

Ultimately, the core of the issue that bothers me most if the choice of the matter. There are a lot of people who are interested in watching the cutscenes, but there are just as many who are indifferent or simply just want to get past it. Whereas before you had the option to ask for people to run with you to watch the cs or simply speed run it by queuing normally, currently there is no way to skip past it (without buying a story skip potion). Regardless if the people in it want to watch or if everyone has already cleared, you are forced to endure the cutscenes at a set speed, which, after the 3rd+ time starts to get pretty old for most people. And I think that being able to make that choice is what it really boils down to in the end.

I hope SE will serious consider revising this change to be something that is more appealing to all players.

[Krotoan]

Ultimately, the core of the issue that bothers me most if the choice of the matter. There are a lot of people who are interested in watching the cutscenes,but there are just as many who are indifferent or simply just want to get past it. Whereas before you had the option to ask for people to run with you to watch the cs or simply speed run it by queuing normally, currently there is no way to skip past it (without buying a story skip potion). Regardless if the people in it want to watch or if everyone has already cleared, you are forced to endure the cutscenes at a set speed, which, after the 3rd+ time starts to get pretty old for most people. And I think that being able to make that choice is what it really boils down to in the end.

I hope SE will serious consider revising this change to be something that is more appealing to all players.

I support your point, and yes, the lack of choice is the core argument, but the majority of people in this thread are saying "It isn't worth it". Only once it was discovered it affected all instances, even rewatching just the cutscenes, did the outcry change. And there are still people talking of making it "worth the run". Reverting it would make these people happy, but would result in them continuing to rush through the DF queued instances and dragging sprouts along with them in a mishmash of unintelligibly stitched together cutscenes with no context. I agree it should be changed, but currently it benefits the people that particular roulette was created for the most and affects the people interested in xp/tomes per minute the least. They need a fix, but reverting back to the old way seems to me to be the worse impact.

[Jijifli]

I agree it should be changed, but currently it benefits the people that particular roulette was created for the most and affects the people interested in xp/tomes per minute the least.

Not every new player wants to see the cutscenes in Castrum. Or was the roulette all this time intended to be cutscene roulette and not, "Get this player through story" roulette?

[Krotoan]

Not every new player wants to see the cutscenes in Castrum. Or was the roulette all this time intended to be cutscene roulette and not, "Get this player through story" roulette?

No not every player does, but the ones who did had no obvious option to get that done. They were instructed by the game to "use duty finder" only to end up in a party uninterested in their experience and only in the xp/tomes they could get. The roulette was created for those who needed to get past those MSQ dungeons. Everyone in this thread is talking of "forced to watch cutscenes" like it's some sort of torture. In the hours necessary to complete this game it's minor and comparing the two kinds of people , newbies who don't care about the story and would rather rush through and newbies who want to enjoy the story, who had more options in the past? The INTENT was to get new players party members if they couldn't locate their own. The refined intent, as has been demonstrated by their new rule, is to allow newbies to enjoy the story AND find party members who are OK with that. People who don't care can still clear it to continue but with a minor inconvenience. As has been said several times in this thread though, I am in support of removing the restriction from PF and Solo instances, but if that cannot be separated I still believe the greater good is allowing people to experience a very crucial part of the first story arc in full without having to negotiate it.

[Jijifli]

Everyone in this thread is talking of "forced to watch cutscenes" like it's some sort of torture. In the hours necessary to complete this game it's minor

Do me a favor please. Go pick an episode from a show you like, okay? Any show is fine. Now watch that selected episode over and over. Tell me you never get sick of seeing the exact same scene over and over again.

That's what happens when you force cutscenes. You're making us rewatch an episode over and over every time we queue up. That'll drive people insane.

The INTENT was to get new players party members if they couldn't locate their own. The refined intent, as has been demonstrated by their new rule, is to allow newbies to enjoy the story AND find party members who are OK with that.

Let's use the perspective of a player that has no idea what is inside of Castrum and Praetorium. This player is used to dungeon related runs being 15-20 minutes since we just speedrun the leveling dungeons anyways. They noticed how short it takes to do dungeons so these shouldn't be different right? It takes them a while to get in because less people are queuing, but eventually, either from that roulette or mentor roulette, it fills. 45 minutes later... they're irritated it's taking so long. Why is it taking so long? Just the cutscenes?

I haven't exactly done it on an alt for story since the change, but does the game alert the dungeon will take longer than most? Whenever cutscenes take more than 5 minutes in story they seem to put a warning going, "HEY THIS TAKES A WHILE" before they let you see them. Castrum and Prae doesn't warn you though, not when you unlock, and if you don't have access to the roulette, the duty finder doesn't even tell you that you're forced into cutscenes. Check the actual dungeon descriptions, nowhere does it say forced cutscenes, so why do people outside of roulette gotta be hit?

[Tridus]

Ultimately, the core of the issue that bothers me most if the choice of the matter. There are a lot of people who are interested in watching the cutscenes, but there are just as many who are indifferent or simply just want to get past it. Whereas before you had the option to ask for people to run with you to watch the cs or simply speed run it by queuing normally, currently there is no way to skip past it (without buying a story skip potion). Regardless if the people in it want to watch or if everyone has already cleared, you are forced to endure the cutscenes at a set speed, which, after the 3rd+ time starts to get pretty old for most people. And I think that being able to make that choice is what it really boils down to in the end.

The whole problem with this type of argument is that it treats sprouts as if they're four year veterans. Sprouts don't know how to use PF and many of them don't know enough people in game to field a party big enough to do this while watching the cutscenes. The game trains them to use DF. So they do.

Saying that it's a "choice" is misleading at best. It's a choice for veterans. It's not a choice for people who don't know any better and do what the game has taught them to do.

I hope SE will serious consider revising this change to be something that is more appealing to all players.

Why? SE ultimately doesn't have any reason to care if people can't speedrun this for levelling other jobs. There are lots of other roulettes and methods of doing that. The purpose of this one is to get sprouts through the MSQ. So long as it accomplishes that, there's no reason for them to change anything.

[Dualblade]

Did a Prae run today, it didn't seem too bad beyond one person afking/going offline who eventually got kicked. It was actually amusing talking to some other vet players who didn't remember all the details about what happened. It is sad that the dialouge choices were removed though.

[Shurrikhan]

I'd rather it just be forced at minimum ilvl, and boss HP be increased. Even my very first time in there on the day after release, we burned through most fights too quickly to see all phases. It was only after running a friend through it, as a duo, on PLD, that I got to see everything.

And, revise the cutscenes. If it can be covered during the fight, do so. It it's fluff text, cut it. If the reluctant pause is longer than necessary to mark such a pause, quicken it. Hasten transitions.

[Fynlar]

Why? SE ultimately doesn't have any reason to care if people can't speedrun this for levelling other jobs. There are lots of other roulettes and methods of doing that. The purpose of this one is to get sprouts through the MSQ. So long as it accomplishes that, there's no reason for them to change anything.

If people can't have a satisfactory experience playing the MSQ roulette, guess what happens? People will stop queueing that roulette.

Care to explain how the sprouts will DF those MSQ roulette dungeons once no one bothers doing the roulette anymore?

[MistakeNot]

If people can't have a satisfactory experience playing the MSQ roulette, guess what happens? People will stop queueing that roulette.

Care to explain how the sprouts will DF those MSQ roulette dungeons once no one bothers doing the roulette anymore?

Some people will keep doing the MSQ roulette even with forced cutscenes. Fewer than before to be certain, but it won't be the case that "no one bothers" running it.

If enough people will keep doing the MSQ roulette that new people can run Castrum/Praetorium without excessive queue times - THAT is the interesting question, and one we don't know the answer to quite yet.