Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Skivvy]

How did Square get the statistics on how many wanted to be forced into the cutscenes? I thought the reason they stopped making dungeons like Castrum and Prae was BECAUSE people didn't like that.

So I guess going right back, how do YOU know the sample of people wanting to view 30+ minutes of cutscenes is the majority? It ain't about the majority. If it was, there'd be plenty of other changes that wouldn't exist, like Feast chat being very limited.

Neither side can prove anything. Can we stop with this stupid argument?

[Reynhart]

So I guess going right back, how do YOU know the sample of people wanting to view 30+ minutes of cutscenes is the majority?

I don't. But I'm not the one having to advocate what they should do, because they already did. And I'm pretty sure they have a good reason for that.

As for why they didn't do dungeons like that after, my guess, is because they didn't want to create a new roulette in HW for a specific dungeon (or two), and were afraid of people bailing out (before the penatly existed) if some dungeons were really longer that others.

[Vstarstruck]

You, like many people, keep thinking your sample is the majority, and you use that to counter SE's decision, when they are the one who have the most statistics to judge which adjustment they should make.

Another bland estimation trying to pass as an actual sample...that's the third time, good job !

Same old debate, if you expect more than the base flow of the dungeon, you are the one to make a premade, not those who don't want to be rushed.

Do you even READ?!?!?!?! you CAN'T EVEN DO PREMADES anymore, they make you watch them doing unsync. Can for once you stop throwing out stawmans? Your response does not reply to my points at all.

Sorry when you are solo queuing, you talk to the group and work something out, not have the development team force something on everyone, you need to grow up, along with the select few that complained about quitting because of speed runners (outright harassment is different and up to people to kick them, not stand and watch)

You do not even read my posts, you pick something very tiny and minor and only comment on that, all you are doing is trolling this thread with red herrings and stawmans, stop it.

Neither side can prove anything. Can we stop with this stupid argument?

Yes we want to but Reynhart keeps bringing it up to troll the thread. I advice people to report that particular poster if they had enough with the trolling and derailing.

Here are the facts, every once in a while someone makes a thread here complaining about MSQ speed running. No one comments on how many actually prefer speed running and how many new people skip them no questions asked.

All we see is a blind sudden change without discussion, and you (as in general sense) are shocked about people questioning how many people want unskipable CS in the MSQ roulette? SE overreacts, obviously (lolfeastchat), and they have yet to comment on this issue.

From all my personal contacts, NN, this thread, these boards, people complaining about not being able to watch the CS is RARRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE, it is more common to see people kicked that are harassing the new players, or new players (or the friend with the new player) being toxic and trying to hold the group hostage. It is more common for the group trying to make the new comer feel better but the MAIN ISSUE IN ALL OF THIS, is there is likely a group of people that don't say a word and complain later, that is completely their fault for not communicating.

[Alleo]

I await your counter argument white knights.

I also dont like this change at all and I cant really see how this can be seen as good in any way. I also know that there are some posters that seem to defend any kind of changes from SE but please stop with the white knight parts of your post. Insulting others with that is not a good way to have an discussion. Just post your opinions without that one and thats completely fine.

Edit:

I forgot to respond to this earlier.

I agree that the story quality is.... variable, but when it gets good it gets really good. The late part of ARR starting from when Lahabrea is unmasked. The ending of the "hundred quests" where all the pieces set up beforehand fall into place one after the other. The aftermath of the Vault.

I'm also curious whether I'll get bored of it, to be honest. I've only gotten Castrum since the cutscene change was brought in.

Oh I do watch every cutscene for the first time too even if the story is not the most greatest ever. But I also can understand that people just play a MMO for something else and they were able to skip all the CS if they dont care about it. But right now even that is not possible anymore.

And honestly when I was trying to get my retainers for my alts I just skipped most of them and only watched the bigger ones so I also can understand that people with twinks might not want to watch them again.

Maybe instead of forcing cutscenes on everyone they could have made barriers for the bosses thus people could still kill the trash mobs between bosses while the newer players are watching the cutscenes but the bosses had to be done with everyone there. So people could make it still a bit faster by clearing it up to the bosses. Still not optimal but honestly better than what we have now. (The best imo would still be solo duties)

[Vstarstruck]

Flagged up for MSQ with my husband today. We were both DPS. We flagged for duty at 3:02pm EST and entered about 20 min later. Got Prae. Exited at 4:11pm EST. So, from flag to finish it took about an hour and ten minutes for 1.4 mil exp as a 58 SAM.

Here was the kicker for me: We had 3 new people. Two of them were complaining more than us vets about the cutescenes. All of us agreed the roulette wasn't worth it and won't be flagging again.

like i been trying to tell the 1 or 2? people white knighting this change, there are new people that DO NOT WANT to watch the CS as well. SE needs to learn that those few threads made by quitting or almost quitting players are very few. why inconvenience a thousand people for saving 1? People can PF it anyway that really care. it is not the playerbase fault that SE is not very clear in teaching new players how to use PF, or advice new players if they care about the story that much, they might want to do it with a friend or 2 and take their time.

[DracotheDragon]

so just did one myself and now i remember why i skipped the cutscenes in the first place, its constant 'swooshing' and flowing movements can be a bit motion sickening, and the cutscenes every 5 paces kills the momentum in the dungeon, while it was fun to see the cutscenes again it just reminded me as to why i skipped them when i first played, they were long and the constant swooshing of the camera wasn't very nice to watch.

the dungeon took 48 mins to complete but i aint in a rush, wouldn't mind if it gave some end game tome-stones then poetics.

[Skivvy]

If SE is going to keep things this way, perhaps they could implement the following to make it more alluring again:

1) Add all required MSQ dungeons, trials to the roulette. So this would add in Cape Westwind, all the primals, etc. People may be willing to take the gamble if several super-fast trials are possibilities.

2) If there are no sprouts, for the love of all that is holy, let people skip CSs

3) If there are sprouts, and you have to watch the CSs, I'd say bump up the exp some more. Make it comparable to running some dungeons instead.

4) Switch it to end-game tomes. Most people don't need Poetics.

[FallenArisen0990]

I said this in another thread and don't know if someone had a similar idea but...

The easiest solution to this problem is to remove the cinematic cut-scenes and make the "cut-scenes" run in real time. There's already a break in combat so you may as well have the NPCs say their lines via Text Bubble, perform actions in real time, and then go right into the next section. This will reduce the loading between cut-scenes and plus streamline the dungeon. The Dev Team needs to reconsider their stand on not updating or QoL older content because they don't have "time and resources" to do it.

[Vstarstruck]

I said this in another thread and don't know if someone had a similar idea but...

If they do not have time or money resources to address it properly, then they have no business making this blanket change of making the CS unskippable no matter if you enter unsync or using the DF for it

No, the roulettes were created to make it worthwhile for people to go back into older dungeons/content - to help the people still levelling, newcomers, etc. That's the tradeoff. That's why there is a reward for them.

guess what? they made the MSQ roulette not worthwhile

01-26-2018 07:22 PM #1 Louvain
*130 likes as of 3 am

Hey Reynhart, this thread is 56 pages long with 130 likes in 9 days, did any of those "fix the MSQ roulette, they abuse new players" ever get this much attention? Maybe it is a clue this change harms more then helps.

[Reynhart]

Hey Reynhart, this thread is 56 pages long with 130 likes in 9 days, did any of those "fix the MSQ roulette, they abuse new players" ever get this much attention? Maybe it is a clue this change harms more then helps.

Here's one where the the OP is at 100
Another one where the first reply agreeing to the OP is at 156

Both topics not posted just after a big change on that subject, which likely gives a lot of attention to recent threads, and that don't have half of their content complaining before ever knowing how much of an issue this could be (For example, when people still hoped they could skip the cutscenes in premade and were only complaining about the roulette, making all the concerns about alts moot back then, or having no real idea or how the reward would be increased)

Again, don't try to prove you're a vast majority...