Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Usho]

@Ametrine: Sorry...can't hear you from back in 2013. This is 2018 now. 5 years have passed since this game was "re-released". Times have changed sir and or ma'am. The roulettes nowadays are a great source for speedrunning for exp, gear and tomes, especially since se doesn't put major cutscenes in the middle of dungeons anymore. Also note the sentence whenever you enter a instance and or roulette with someone new:


"Bonus experience points and rewards will be given for swift completion."

or something along those lines. So yeah roulettes and dungeons reward players for swift completion of the instance.

So I stand by my statement: MSQ roulette is not worth it now but if you wanna waste time on a non-skippable cutscene infested dungeon for meh rewards be my guest.

[AngelCheese77]

Woo things getting a little personal attack-y in here. Might want to all step back a bit and take a break from the forums.

[Ametrine]

Sadly, the newbie bonus was ALSO the result of shitty players kicking out newbies because it prevented speedsters from getting those "swift" completions.

Thus the wording.

[Skivvy]

Well, just ran it for the first time - got Prae. At level 57, I ended up with 1,946,585 exp and a super chatty group. Entered at 10:40 - exited at 11:28.

[Vstarstruck]

Well, just ran it for the first time - got Prae. At level 57, I ended up with 1,946,585 exp and a super chatty group. Entered at 10:40 - exited at 11:28.

https://i.redd.it/pgsdxt5cdvzy.png

since your 70... (max Amory bonus)

691*4= 2.7 M, you would got 2.7 M exp in slightly shorter time span then doing MSQ roulette. A daily BONUS should have the highest efficiency gains, hence why you can only do it once a day, not be outperformed by dungeon spaming. This is also leaving out your queue time, and factoring that is quite significant for DPS.

losing out on 41% of exp in the same time span matters to many people

[Skivvy]

https://i.redd.it/pgsdxt5cdvzy.png

since your 70... (max Amory bonus)

691*4= 2.7 M, you would got 2.7 M exp in slightly shorter time span then doing MSQ roulette. A daily BONUS should have the highest efficiency gains, hence why you can only do it once a day, not be outperformed by dungeon spaming. This is also leaving out your queue time, and factoring that is quite significant for DPS.

losing out on 41% of exp in the same time span matters to many people

Yeah, I was queued with my Tank buddy which made it a bit more tolerable (for queue time). I haven't tried solo queuing, so not sure how the timer is looking these days.

I don't think this is something I'd run every day, but maybe now and then if I'm just wanting something mindless or am going with friends.

[AnaviAnael]

Flagged up for MSQ with my husband today. We were both DPS. We flagged for duty at 3:02pm EST and entered about 20 min later. Got Prae. Exited at 4:11pm EST. So, from flag to finish it took about an hour and ten minutes for 1.4 mil exp as a 58 SAM.

Here was the kicker for me: We had 3 new people. Two of them were complaining more than us vets about the cutescenes. All of us agreed the roulette wasn't worth it and won't be flagging again.

[Usho]

Flagged up for MSQ with my husband today. We were both DPS. We flagged for duty at 3:02pm EST and entered about 20 min later. Got Prae. Exited at 4:11pm EST. So, from flag to finish it took about an hour and ten minutes for 1.4 mil exp as a 58 SAM.

Here was the kicker for me: We had 3 new people. Two of them were complaining more than us vets about the cutescenes. All of us agreed the roulette wasn't worth it and won't be flagging again.

Exactly. If even the newbies are complaining about the cutscenes that should give white knights who defend se's bad decisions a somewhat clear vision as to why not everyone likes these changes...Even Newbies. SE keeps catering to a small minority of ppl, some of which don't either like the long cutscenes and or hate the much longer wait to get into those dungeons. I've had newbies in novice network who don't like the changes either, especially since they have to wait even longer to get through arr because of se's poor decision making.

I await your counter argument white knights.

[Reynhart]

SE keeps catering to a small minority of ppl, some of which don't either like the long cutscenes and or hate the much longer wait to get into those dungeons.

You, like many people, keep thinking your sample is the majority, and you use that to counter SE's decision, when they are the one who have the most statistics to judge which adjustment they should make.

why inconvenience a thousand people for saving 1?

Another bland estimation trying to pass as an actual sample...that's the third time, good job !

it is not the playerbase fault that SE is not very clear in teaching new players how to use PF, or advice new players if they care about the story that much, they might want to do it with a friend or 2 and take their time.

Same old debate, if you expect more than the base flow of the dungeon, you are the one to make a premade, not those who don't want to be rushed.

[Jijifli]

You, like many people, keep thinking your sample is the majority, and you use that to counter SE's decision, when they are the one who have the most statistics to judge which adjustment they should make.

How did Square get the statistics on how many wanted to be forced into the cutscenes? I thought the reason they stopped making dungeons like Castrum and Prae was BECAUSE people didn't like that.

So I guess going right back, how do YOU know the sample of people wanting to view 30+ minutes of cutscenes is the majority? It ain't about the majority. If it was, there'd be plenty of other changes that wouldn't exist, like Feast chat being very limited.