Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Vstarstruck]

OK, I can understand that line of thinking. But as I said, how likely is it that they're going to retract that stance and suddenly decide that now 5 year old content needs a rework of that magnitude? I'm not saying your suggestion wouldn't work, just that adjustments to what they've actually done are more likely tohappen and would be an easier "sale" for them to adopt. This team is far from infallible, but you get things done with compromise, not with demanding your way or nothing. We understand they are incredibly resistant to changing the actual run, they've settled for fiddling with the nitty gritty of flipping switches in the gates. What would be the best configuration of those switches to make the most people happy? Right now.. admitted after further information, not this one. There is no option to run it quickly anymore so that needs to be put back. But the roulette part I believe can be left alone unless they are irrevocably linked.





I'm sorry did it cover too many things that you actually said? I'm done with you then.
you're obviously ignoring things that disagree with you and posting poorly worded garbage. If you'd read ANYTHING in between those posts you'd have seen we've already found unsynched still has the cutscene limit which I concede is a problem.
I will be ignoring the majority of your further posts since you reply to valid criticism with plugged ears. Hope that's what you were going for.

Let it sink in for a second no one is hardly agreeing with you, and I am not really counting Reynhar because he is just trolling with strawmans. If you are just going to ignore what people say then what is the worth even having a conversation? This change does more harm then good overall because all it achieves is increasing queue times for new players. It is also dumb as heck you can't skip undersized entry, something you chose not to even comment on the issue there.

I am going to be blunt, there was nothing wrong with the old way other then people not knowing how to talk to each other when having a new person in this particular duty. It is a community issue more then anything and this change by development does not help it. Healers and tanks have short queues,... for now... but dps is already insanely longer.

The reason I said I was not going to reply to that post is because it was just flaming and angry nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic.

This change helps NO ONE!! other a select few cases where people have issues talking to each other. This change happened just because of a few outspoken minority while taking a shortcut to address it. non-skippable CS to fix a social problem is not a fix at all.

In the end, esp to @Reynhar, who did not understand what I was saying. When I said it harms more then it helps, I also mean it harms new players trying to get this done since less people will be willing to queue for it. It also does not make sense to put the CS not skippable and go at your own pace unsyncing it. This change did not do any good at all. When you unsync, you should have the right on how slow or fast you want to read it, not have it auto scroll.

Are you going to pretend this gave a new player choice? Technically they have even less of a choice, because before the change they could have gotten a party together to see the cutscenes if they wanted to. Now if a new player didn't want to see the 50 cutscenes, they don't get a word on it. THEIR opinion didn't seem to matter.

Exactly, some "new players" got a friend or two to try hold the group hostage, that is more toxic then any accuse being presented against speed runners since they could unsync it and went at their own pace. Are we done with the stawmans, Reynhart ?

Once again I have to bring up, there are also new players that skip it on their own, or just take the view inn advice too. This campaign of, "we need cs not skippable because it brings problems" is a very minor amount of instances, and a lot of times that happens because people can't communicate to each other, or willing to kick people causing problems in them. It is not hard to kick the tank that brings full trains to the boss and keeps locking people out of fights and continues to do so when told to slow down.

[Anarnee]

Not to mention mind you, those characters that are DPS. You want me to wait in a over 30min queue and then to do an hour and a half of dungeons?

How about this Reynhart, lets compromise, I'll make a character on your server and you can solo me through since you love to watch those cut scenes. I'll afk while you do everything. You'll take care of it right? Since you don't want any changes being made cause you like it as it is, and I won't be able to find people that will solo me through else where, you'll just jump at the chance for it right?? That way the roulette can stay as it is and I don't have to waste time on these badly paced dungeons anymore.

[Yunuen]

I appreciate everyone that's brought up valid criticism of this change. Any time I've brought it up, I've been told the same BS that Reyn is posting with no actual offer for a solution and felt like I was alone. I used to queue up every day as a healer. I always made sure to tell newbies that they could sit back and watch the CS and don't worry if the rest of the group goes ahead. Out of the 3 years I've played, I've only had two people throw fits over it.

I've run CM and Prae once since the change, and while CM is not that bad (from 20 mins to about 30 mins for me), Prae was horrible last night, clocking in at 1 hour. While I know this is going to grate on the nerves of our dear white knights in this thread, I'm not going to be running it any more. That's my opinion and choice, and while the white knights don't seem to think it's valid to voice one's opposing opinion, I'm standing by it. I personally enjoyed running these roulettes with random people, and this has ruined it for me.

[Krotoan]

I appreciate everyone that's brought up valid criticism of this change. Any time I've brought it up, I've been told the same BS that Reyn is posting with no actual offer for a solution and felt like I was alone. I used to queue up every day as a healer. I always made sure to tell newbies that they could sit back and watch the CS and don't worry if the rest of the group goes ahead. Out of the 3 years I've played, I've only had two people throw fits over it.
I've run CM and Prae once since the change, and while CM is not that bad (from 20 mins to about 30 mins for me), Prae was horrible last night, clocking in at 1 hour. While I know this is going to grate on the nerves of our dear white knights in this thread, I'm not going to be running it any more. That's my opinion and choice, and while the white knights don't seem to think it's valid to voice one's opposing opinion, I'm standing by it. I personally enjoyed running these roulettes with random people, and this has ruined it for me.

You are well within your rights to stop and SHOULD if it bothers you that much. Good on you for helping new people for so very long.
I don't think I've seen one person say that SE is infallible. They've done some dumb things, the fact you still cannot skip CS if you make your own PF or Unsynched party is one of them. But the part where the roulette has unskippable CS ISN'T. A compromise was proposed that if a newbie is in the roulette then the cutscenes should be unskippable, but if all are vets who have done the instance before it should run as it always has, this is a good balance. Now the problem is to get this to the attention of someone who can do something about it without this being buried in bickering. Does that sound right to you or is this a situation where the old way is better than any sort of modification for you? Or perhaps you think devoting resources to re-doing the whole line itself is a better idea?

[Vstarstruck]

You are well within your rights to stop and SHOULD if it bothers you that much. Good on you for helping new people for so very long.
I don't think I've seen one person say that SE is infallible. They've done some dumb things, the fact you still cannot skip CS if you make your own PF or Unsynched party is one of them. But the part where the roulette has unskippable CS ISN'T.

Yes it is, stop with the censor crap. At some point people need some damn responsibility in learning how to comminucate. No chat in feast, no sending tells/ social options in DF, and this BS change is too much. You should give grown adults choice and let those that are able to communicate to do so. You completely missed yunnuen's point. THE MINORITY of NEW players gets abused, like very rarely is because 1, people do not communicate, 2. no one stands up for what is right and simply kick the offender. I had no problems in the runs I did when I used communication, you know talking to people, typing in that log and get people to kick problem makers. I have kicks passed on both ends, meaning I got kicks passed on "vets" being rude to new players, and new players mouthing off/ attempting to hold the run hostage. Different runs with a high rarity, but point is I did my part to comminucate. This was after several attempts to calm them down too.

We do not need this kind of censorship of a blanket change of being unable to skip CS.

If a few need to quit because they can't speak up, then..? how do they get past in the real world? at some point you have to make a stance and understand you can't please everyone and disrespect 90% of the player base because 1% can't communicate. (Yes I know that does not add to 100% there is a reason for it)

I am shocked we still have the novice network and shout chat channels with the over censorship they try to force on the player base, damn. Very insulting to treat adults like this, or even teens (rated 13 and over for the game)

Let me give you a news flash, it may be shocking, but I joined late in the game and was rushed there. I did not come here threatening to quit because people do their natural thing. I understand their PoV and so should others. Know what I did? ran it later with a friend and took all the time in the world to enjoy it. YOU cant even do that now since it is on auto speed @!*#@&@#((*@#(@#@#. This and no chat in feast has to be some of the worst changes to something I have seen in video games. (and not putting the "feature" to send tells from duty, in all the problems I had in wow, none came because of "tell harassment" while in a duty.)

I am shocked others are not offended over this kind of censorship, you really need to baby the player base? that is not insulting to you to be told "we are making a change because people lack the ability to communicate and conduct themselves properly in select specific circumstances" ?

Simple solution is giving extra prompts in teaching people they have a right to kick people causing problems and be stricter in kick abuse while reverting the MSQ roulette to what it was before 4.2. IF the dev team insists of needing to give the playerase babying, change the content to be solo then.

[Gemina]

I personally enjoyed running these roulettes with random people, and this has ruined it for me.

What was so enjoyable about it before the change? Personally for me, it was always the roulette I got the least amount of enjoyment from WHEN I actually decided to queue up for them. There was nothing enjoyable about Castrum/Prae for me, ever. It was a zergfest where no one gives a shit about anybody. People say they like to help newbies through these instances, and I have never seen that. Not even once. They get left behind. Always. Being carried though an instance isn't the same thing as helping, and that is exactly what was happening to the sprouts when they get to this point in the story.

I have now queued for both Castrum and Prae everyday since the patch. The environment is far from being filled with a bunch of people pissed off about the change. I'm not saying everyone is all happy about it, but there is actually social interaction going on in here now. Yes, players are actually talking to each other to pass the time while those who want to watch to cutscenes will simply just watch them. Hell, one player was having trouble figuring out how to get into the magitek mount, and one went back to help while the others actually waited. I can't even begin to express how shocked I was. This player was so happy when he got to join the magitek onslaught portion of the dungeon (seriously one of the more fun parts of it).

In short, I have seen far more good come out of these instances in one short week than I ever have in two years playing this game. These sprouts now won't know the horror most of us have experienced, which is far worse than oh soo torturous 90 minutes the veterans are having to deal with. And from my experience this week, veterans having a horrible time here would be an inaccurate assessment.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the way they handled Castrum/Prae was the best way to do it. However it is great to see the community come together to make the best out of really long instance time, which never would've happened without this change.

[Yunuen]

What was so enjoyable about it before the change?

I play a bit more fast-paced in general and MSQ did a good job getting me used to new classes I was learning in that kind of environment but less stressful for me than PotD. I also chatted with some nice people in there. The fights are so simple, that I could just chat through them.

I think everyone can have slightly different experiences, and if anyone was upset about being carried during MSQ runs I had, it wasn't vocalized except for a couple instances. I also never had a run where people were telling newbies to skip the CS either. The two runs I've had since the update haven't had any toxic complaining, more so just vocalization of annoyance, then laughing at the ridiculousness of the CS.

At most, I may queue up on the weekends if I have time but it's not really feasible for me on the weekdays with my work schedule. I wish they at least made the CS skippable if there's no sprouts or in unsynced.

[Gemina]

I play a bit more fast-paced in general and MSQ did a good job getting me used to new classes I was learning in that kind of environment but less stressful for me than PotD. I also chatted with some nice people in there. The fights are so simple, that I could just chat through them.

I think everyone can have slightly different experiences, and if anyone was upset about being carried during MSQ runs I had, it wasn't vocalized except for a couple instances. I also never had a run where people were telling newbies to skip the CS either. The two runs I've had since the update haven't had any toxic complaining, more so just vocalization of annoyance, then laughing at the ridiculousness of the CS.

At most, I may queue up on the weekends if I have time but it's not really feasible for me on the weekdays with my work schedule. I wish they at least made the CS skippable if there's no sprouts or in unsynced.

You don't need this MSQ to get used to new classes. In fact, because most are over-geared for it and it can just be blasted through does the exact opposite when it comes to learning a new class. Your time is better spent in an instance where mechanics matter if this is your intention. There aren't many environments less stressing than 4-man dungeons when it comes to group content. Also, if your intent is to learn your class, you shouldn't be chatting with peeps during combat. If you can do this, you're not being pushed.

Most players are not going to, or even be given the opportunity to vocalize their dissatisfaction in a Castrum/Prae run, but you don't need to go far to find it. The instances are notorious for having extremely relevant CS in terms of the WoL becoming the WoL that a newbie cannot see outside an inn save they get left entirely behind and unable to participate in battles. Even if you haven't heard the voices, trust me, they are there.

[Iscah]

People say they like to help newbies through these instances, and I have never seen that. Not even once. They get left behind. Always. Being carried though an instance isn't the same thing as helping, and that is exactly what was happening to the sprouts when they get to this point in the story.

I waited for newbies, even if the rest of the party didn’t - once I learned the way through the area myself, which took a few runs! But I’ve had several rounds of staying behind waiting for someone to come out of the cutscene while everyone else dashed on ahead, because it’s a confusing place and being lost there alone is awful. If the fights were tougher I might have felt more conflicted between healer responsibilities and staying back, but the enemies go down easily enough that they could make do without me, and the waiting was more important.

[Gemina]

I waited for newbies, even if the rest of the party didn’t - once I learned the way through the area myself, which took a few runs! But I’ve had several rounds of staying behind waiting for someone to come out of the cutscene while everyone else dashed on ahead, because it’s a confusing place and being lost there alone is awful. If the fights were tougher I might have felt more conflicted between healer responsibilities and staying back, but the enemies go down easily enough that they could make do without me, and the waiting was more important.

I commend you, believe me I do. I've done the same thing for newbies, and it only resulted in both of us being locked out of a boss fight. I am ok with that though. Like you, I know what it's like to be there alone and not having any idea what to do or where to go. You feel useless, and like a burden to everyone. The person that comes back for you is like an angel. Vets complain about the 35-50 minute runtime per instance, and seem to forget that the 10-15 minute runs for a newbie seemed like an eternity when you feel like all you are doing is holding everyone back.

If everyone had a similar mentality, this wouldn't be an issue at all.