Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Lambdafish]

They should have just added a option where if picked to watch cut scenes get a big exp. bonus and a cracked crystal or cluster. If you decided not to it stays the same way how it was.

See, this is a difficult idea to get right. Think about it this way, if this system were put in, ALL 8 players would have to vote for the second option for it to go through (otherwise the one new person would be locked out and we would be back to square 1), and even if they do add that system, the chances of the new person still being bullied because they didn't vote for the skip are pretty high

[Penthea]

I understand why SE made this change. It's an awful experience first time when you're watching cutscenes, everyone else runs ahead....and you get lost and actually miss out on combat.

However I disagree with this change as it's going to make players far less inclined to do it as being unable to skip cutscenes will make the instance extremely long. The queue times for it are already long as it is. They will become even longer. This is going to be a disaster.

SE should just change it to a solo duty. That would be the best fix, if they intend to keep all the cutscenes intact.

[Akor]

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Me and my friend was talking about how ages makes us see different things. Like if i would be playing this game for the first time now and see everybody else running away like way before i was out of cs and i see ppl not complaining (even if they complain i would give a fuck) i would be "oh this how ppl do this now, okey " i will probably ask some questions if im lost but i would just go and explore it alone. And que up again if i see good chunk of xp and tomes which i can use.

[Akor]

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If newb complain about why do we not wait for him im just going tell him this: "dont worry about it, enjoy your cs and besides you will do this dungeon a million times and u will hate it in the end". But bc theres rewards for this trial ppl will do it you cant say that speedrunning is bad. Ppl will speedrun this, even newbs bc they will happy even if the que times for this dungeon 30+mins but they can finish it in 20 mins or less bc everybody speedrunning it and its good search for xp and poe tomes if he needs it. This dungeons should have been fixed by now, but nope.

edit. over 1k -.-

[Hiply]

It's somewhat unique here in that in no other MMO I've played is instance progress barred by stand in place cutscenes. Newbies in other MMOs might miss out on gawping at all the scenery in dungeons - and some of it is great - but it's nothing like missing main visual and audio elements that are part of the story they came to play out.

So as newbies we can either - as I do - refuse to be a burden or allow themselves to be carried and so we willingly escape out of every cutscene as fast as possible not to hold up the group, or we can stop for the cutscenes to actually get the flavor of the story and experience then come out of the cs having been completely left behind by the group. I miss not having seen those cutscenes in the context of the duty I'm running. There has to be a better solution, but I'll continue to skip cutscenes and continue to refuse to be carried by other players while I watch them.

[Tridus]

It's somewhat unique here in that in no other MMO I've played is instance progress barred by stand in place cutscenes.

It's unique here in that even in this one, these are the only two dungeons that do it. They learned their lesson pretty quickly on why it's a bad idea.

[Hiply]

It's unique here in that even in this one, these are the only two dungeons that do it. They learned their lesson pretty quickly on why it's a bad idea.

I think you missed my point; there is a lot of story and wonder (for lack of a better word...don't we all remember when whatever mmo we were playing still had that new car smell and everything was new and exciting to see?) for us newcomers hiding in all the cutscenes, and that story is a large part of why many of us are here. If it's an MSQ duty and I skip a (all) cutscene I've missed out on something and going to the fc house or youtube to see it out of context instead of in the stream of what I'm doing is not remotely the same thing. It's something a new player can't get back, ever.

I esc out of them because I refuse to hold up a group, but don't say those are the only dungeons it happens in. Those are the only dungeons that are being changed to make it impossible - there's a difference.

[Tridus]

I think you missed my point; there is a lot of story and wonder (for lack of a better word...don't we all remember when whatever mmo we were playing still had that new car smell and everything was new and exciting to see?) for us newcomers hiding in all the cutscenes, and that story is a large part of why many of us are here.

No, these are literally the only two dungeons where it's so big a problem. In all the other ones, they learned their lesson by breaking them up. Heavensward's version is two things: Aetherochemical REsearch Facility and Singularity Reactor. The big block of cutscenes is before one, between the two, and after the last one. That means everyone not there for the cutscenes can complete it and leave while the person there for the cutscenes can watch them. They don't disturb each other. When the cutscenes are done, the person can simply queue up for the second part. Ditto with Ala Mhigo and Royal Menagerie.

That's SE changing the content design to remove the problem. These two are unique in their design precisely because SE learned from them.

[ArcaviusFrost]

My issue is not so much with not being able to skip the scenes (it is annoying to have to wait but if the reward is worth it then whatever). The problem I have is that the combination of these scenes across the whole instance is like watching a short episode of a show on Netflix. It could be your favorite show in the world but having to watch one of two episodes on repeat every day is going to make you hate it fast. That assumes you do the roulette every day like I used to. I will still queue up every now and then but for sure not daily.

[Atreyu]

Without a doubt, this will absolutely hurt those that they aim to help the most: the *actual* new players.

I will continue to run my friends and their pre-MSQ alts through this just for the clear to advance the story, but that's probably the extent of my involvement with this set of content anymore. I just won't have the time and it will grate my nerves to do it if these changes are implemented.

And for anyone who says that "these forums are a vocal minority"... no, unfortunately they're not. At least not on this issue. Anyone that I talk to outside of these forums has said the same thing; either 'thank god I'm past that stage' or 'I will just run my pals through it when they need it.' And they sincerely agree that rewards will have to be upped significantly to make even the occasional PUG-run worthwhile. 80 more poetics is a fart in the wind at this point.

New players often don't have these types of support networks and friends to lean on, so they will be stuck with either the impossibly long queue or relying on help from a very gracious stranger... if they are lucky enough to find either of these things after today.