Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[CazzT]

But it isn't a job, it's a game.
To continue your analogy, if you were stuck in an unpleasant job, and you have all of the means and the capabilities to get a better one, then why stay in the crappy job and continue to bitch about it?
You obviously have made a judgement that the crap that you go through at said crappy job is "worth it"

I knew someone would try this.
It doesn't matter if it's a job or not. You don't lose the privilege to complain about something just because you participate in it. In fact, the people who do participate are almost always the most qualified to complain, since they're most likely to know what the problems are.

[kidalutz]

I complain about work and paying bills, but I still have to do them. Just because you do something doesn't mean you're not allowed to complain about it. Especially when it's so painfully obvious that there are better ways it should have been done.

and the complaints will get ignored because again you subject yourself to them but comparing something optional to something that has to be done or you get thrown in jail is a bad analogy

[Miu-Tiiu]

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Second Edit

A voting system does sound interesting. Oof however this is still a tough debate. It's like we want to skip those cutscenes for most of us who are tired of seeing them. I know I am one of them, I'll admit it... also I feel bad for those new players who are their first time and are stuck with so many cutscenes and never get to do anything because they keep getting stuck in watching them when the rest of us keeps pulling the mobs and bosses back to back. Some don't know about the option in settings about "skip previously watched cutscenes" function.

Did someone already suggest about their being 2 MSQs roulette where one is auto-skipped through and the other doesn't? If not then... the auto-skipped MSQ would be where you earn the same amount of EXP as we do now, and the other that plays through "no skipping" is where maybe you could earn more EXP than the auto-skip (usually extra EXP for your extra time). Or maybe some other kind of reward for going into the "no skipping" so that some of us can help the new players to advance through their game. I don't know what SE could offer for the no skipping MSQ.

If this idea was already said, I'm sorry... I didn't see which post it was if already presented.

[Sei_Konsetsu]

A voting system does sound interesting. Oof however this is still a tough debate. It's like we want to skip those cutscenes for most of us who are tired of seeing them. I know I am one of them, I'll admit it... also I feel bad for those new players who are their first time and are stuck with so many cutscenes and never get to do anything because they keep getting stuck in watching them when the rest of us keeps pulling the mobs and bosses back to back. Some don't know about the option in settings about "skip previously watched cutscenes" function.

Did someone already suggest about their being 2 MSQs roulette where one is auto-skipped through and the other doesn't? If not then... the auto-skipped MSQ would be where you earn the same amount of EXP as we do now, and the other that plays through "no skipping" is where maybe you could earn more EXP than the auto-skip (usually extra EXP for your extra time). Or maybe some other kind of reward for going into the "no skipping" so that some of us can help the new players to advance through their game. I don't know what SE could offer for the no skipping MSQ.

If this idea was already said, I'm sorry... I didn't see which post it was if already presented.

You still miss the point entirely. The main story MSQ isnt for you. Its for the ones that have yet to even do the MSQ in the first place. You are compensated for your time for being there so said persons can finish that duty.

Now on to your idea. Its extremely flawed. For one, why should you get inflated EXP as a reward for skipping the scenes? Again, you already know what you are getting into when you que up for it. If anything, the EXP would go back to being low like it originally was in teh first place. You should not get compensated for absolutely nothing. Lastly, you would literally have people complaining how people doing the other MSQ (The none skippable one you suggested) is getting more EXP and that they should get that as well BUT skip the scenes. This would all repeat itself.

Its like none of you guys even understand WHY that MSQ gives that much EXP in the first place.

[PeppermintBrown]

No need for a voting system IMO. You queue up for MS roulette, you know what you're getting in for. If you're tired of the cutscenes...don't run it. Do something else. It's not the only source of exp or poetics. You don't HAVE to do it. But if you DO run it you're well compensated for the time spent. There's really no need to change it. If you had a voting system, then newcomers would just get outvoted on skipping, and if you do skip, they would need to nerf the rewards considering it's no longer a significant time investment if you skip.

[CazzT]

Problem: New Players need to be able to see the cutscenes uninterrupted their first time through.

Solution: Provide a tick box for MSQ roulette that allows skipping cutscenes. If this box is ticked, you are able to skip cutscenes, but you also get reduced rewards. If you do not tick this box, you cannot skip the CS and you get the boosted rewards.

Conclusion: This solution allows multiple things to happen.
- New Players can enter MSQ roulette and see all the CS.
- Veterans can enter MSQ both to help NPs and to get the boosted rewards.
- New Players that don't care about the story can skip the CS if they want to.
- Veterans who don't want to bother with the CS have the option to skip them.

This solves everyone's issue and even addresses one that is rarely brought up (NPs that want to skip the CS). The choice is made before you even enter the dungeon so there's no need to worry if someone wanted to skip the CS or not. This is what should have been done instead of forcing one way on everyone.

[Sei_Konsetsu]

Problem: New Players need to be able to see the cutscenes uninterrupted their first time through.

Solution: Provide a tick box for MSQ roulette that allows skipping cutscenes. If this box is ticked, you are able to skip cutscenes, but you also get reduced rewards. If you do not tick this box, you cannot skip the CS and you get the boosted rewards.

Conclusion: This solution allows multiple things to happen.
- New Players can enter MSQ roulette and see all the CS.
- Veterans can enter MSQ both to help NPs and to get the boosted rewards.
- New Players that don't care about the story can skip the CS if they want to.
- Veterans who don't want to bother with the CS have the option to skip them.

This solves everyone's issue and even addresses one that is rarely brought up (NPs that want to skip the CS). The choice is made before you even enter the dungeon so there's no need to worry if someone wanted to skip the CS or not. This is what should have been done instead of forcing one way on everyone.

This is cool and all, but the problem isn't the MSQ itself, even if people wont admit it. Its the rewards in that MSQ that people want. I would bet my left nut that if there was two MSQs, one with the inflated rewards and the other with the base EXP it original gave, that the one with the less EXP would never get used and people would be right back here complaining how its not fair and how that the other MSQ with cut scenes is almost forced with how much EXP it gives.

[HumanNinjaToo]

Isn't the whole point of this MSQ roulette is for new players to get help with the MSQ's? So if that's the case, then I would think at least one player each run will be a sprout and not have seen the CS. It just seems to me that this whole thread is moot.

[dangadget]

Isn't the whole point of this MSQ roulette is for new players to get help with the MSQ's? So if that's the case, then I would think at least one player each run will be a sprout and not have seen the CS. It just seems to me that this whole thread is moot.

That may be the intended usage of the MSQ roulette, but it is most definitely not this way in practice.
You will often just get full parties of vets who are just trying to get that phat XP and tomestones, to which I say, more power to 'em, but they need to know what they're getting themselves in for.

[HumanNinjaToo]

That may be the intended usage of the MSQ roulette, but it is most definitely not this way in practice.
You will often just get full parties of vets who are just trying to get that phat XP and tomestones, to which I say, more power to 'em, but they need to know what they're getting themselves in for.

Okay, see I thought for the roulette to work someone needed to be initiating the actual MSQ. I've only done that roulette a couple of times since completing those MSQ myself, and each time I've seen the notification that says something about new player+first time+bonus exp. I didn't realize it could potentially be 8 vets playing through it.