Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

If a machinist and blm are of equal standing, acting independently of the party, operating at a lower level of play, in the context of the meta comp, the machinist would do lower dps than the blm because their damage is reliant on optimising external factors which a low-play mchs won't know how to do. Anyways, where are the arguments against how the meta comp is more rewarding to each individual player, rather than just spewing out reasons why it's better.

Bad BLMs deal less personal dps than bad MCHs lol, what are you saying would make sense if BLM/Sam were enough ahead to the point where the meta classes need to play perfect to outdps them, it just isn't the case basically using TA as soon as it comes off cooldown and everyone playing in any way they want will give at the very least 1,6% rDPS the difference between SAM/BLM and NIN is just not big enough to cover a poorly optimized Trick Attack.

nice logs, try looking at the more recent ones for sigmascape; in the current, post-buff and applicable context.

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

nice logs, try looking at the more recent ones for sigmascape; in the current, post-buff and applicable context.

Add ~4% to the previous Black Mage logs if you want. However, given it's literally just one week of data, the values are going to swing more wildly as there are less data points in Sigmascape.

In a few more weeks as more data is accumulated we will have a better idea of where everything settles.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21/#dataset=80

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21/#dataset=80

You just managed to pick the worst more biased data I've ever seen there is not even raw numbers for anyone to discuss anything, there is the fact BLM has 4 freaking clears on the hardest fight making their dps much higher than it should be, there is so much wrong with your choice of data that if I were to point everything that is wrong it would take an hour.

You know there's tabs you can open to look up the individual fights right, where the data is p consistent for the first 3. Have you put in the effort to dig around a bit before getting aggressive? lol

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

You know there's tabs you can open to look up the individual fights right.

Yeah I know but I'm pointing to the fact you knowing this as well decided to purposefully use bad data to confuse the reader and fit your narrative...

What about the 4 clears on God Kefka? Or the fact there is no BLM on any speed kill on any of the bosses and of course no BLM on World First as well, both on Deltascape and already on Sigsmacape, but no BLM must be balanced because at 80th percentile of all fights (whatever that means) it is ahead on PERSONAL dps.

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

You know there's tabs you can open to look up the individual fights right, where the data is p consistent for the first 3. Have you put in the effort to dig around a bit before getting aggressive? lol

With only four data points, there isn't enough data to say one way or the other. Even Mach with 65 it's still too few to really pinpoint, though there we can get a good idea that 5700 is on the higher end and 5000 on the lower, because there's many points in between.

That's how statistical data works. The more data you have, the better you can analyze and infer information from there. You cannot do this with 4 points. You can, at best, infer that the top 3 of the 4, being closely clustered, represent an average.

We can infer that given it's the hardest content available this tier, that they represent the average of the top (95-100), which is to say that I'd still rather take a machinist of the same skill level.

I agree, more data is needed though I doubt it will change much due to fflogs fixing a bug that didn't account for thunder ticks in combination with the mch nerfs, blm buffs. And sorry I linked that page I assumed whoever clicked on it would have the capacity to dig around the site themselves. Also, there were fewer than 10 AST/SCH comps that cleared first week, one of which was my own, does that make AST bad? No it's just worse in prog.