Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

Originally Posted by RainDurell

My Lord, guys just look at FFLogs and tell me BLM doesn't have one of the highest personal DPS. That's the entire reason why they lack utility.

If BLM does 2000 more personal DPS than NIN, but NIN brings 3000 group DPS through utility, NIN is the stronger choice because it has better over all DPS.

Originally Posted by RainDurell

My Lord, guys just look at FFLogs and tell me BLM doesn't have one of the highest personal DPS. That's the entire reason why they lack utility.

1) Week 2 logs are not an indicator on overall performance. Its too small a sample size with too varied an amount of gear
2) The High personal DPS does not make up for the lack of Utility - Check the Raid DPS app.

Vanille, if you want to argue, don't invent Random numbers.

Harold, not only will BLM remain top dps in all those fights, the difference isn't drastic, and you're basing it all on mathematical situations that never exist. People don't always align cds, some players are better than others, some fights favor casters like blm more. I really don't get the argument of this "in a vacuum where there are no factors except maths".

Maero, like I said before, there are so many factors to the performance of the group, when you use something like a raid calculator, it's irrelevant. Point is, the difference isn't drastic, and all jobs are viable to play at a savage level with little differences in performance

Originally Posted by RainDurell

Point is, the difference isn't drastic, and all jobs are viable to play at a savage level with little differences in performance

When the difference in damage isn't drastic, the tools other jobs bring are all the more glaring and important.

No one says Black Mage can't clear content, but there's literally zero reason to bring one. just a quick glance at the data suggests Summoner is still the better choice in every scenario.

Originally Posted by Kabooa

When the difference in damage isn't drastic, the tools other jobs bring are all the more glaring and important.

No one says Black Mage can't clear content, but there's literally zero reason to bring one. just a quick glance at the data suggests Summoner is still the better choice in every scenario.

Your first sentence made no sense. Also, high personal dps is a reason.

Originally Posted by RainDurell

Vanille, if you want to argue, don't invent Random numbers.

Harold, not only will BLM remain top dps in all those fights, the difference isn't drastic, and you're basing it all on mathematical situations that never exist. People don't always align cds, some players are better than others, some fights favor casters like blm more. I really don't get the argument of this "in a vacuum where there are no factors except maths".

Maero, like I said before, there are so many factors to the performance of the group, when you use something like a raid calculator, it's irrelevant. Point is, the difference isn't drastic, and all jobs are viable to play at a savage level with little differences in performance

1) Personal DPS does not equal raid contributed DPS.

2) Physical Damage dealers will be getting +1 Weapon Damage when they get to BiS next week

3) Week 1 and 2 statistics are absolutely not a good set of data for class performance because of the gear variation between players as well as non optimized strategies.

4) A Raid DPS analyzer and a DPS calculator is more reliable than anything you have ever posted. Stop spouting nonsense.

Originally Posted by RainDurell

Your first sentence made no sense. Also, high personal dps is a reason.

Makes plenty.

Why bring the 6300 when the 5700 brings any variation of: Raise, party damage buffs that easily close the gap, mitigation assists, health restores, raid wide MP regeneration, more mobility?

I don't think it's working here

You realize you\\'re applying dps calculations and maths in a vacuum situation to actual raiding gameplay?
I\\'ve said this so many times but maths and calculators ignore so many factors involved in the performance, because it\\'s a CALCULATOR. Personal dps is a part of group dps if you haven\\'t realized btw. And I\\'m willing to bet BLM will still be at the top of DPS even by next month.

Kabooa, don\\'t ignore how BLM technically does have utility. Also "more mobility" is a part of personal dps, in which blm STILL wins.

Again, don\\'t apply math to raiding, because it\\'s not how it works in reality, and with math there will ALWAYS be a top 4 dps, if one gets buffed, he will become the new top dps. Do you see the flaw of basing everything on math? There will never be a situation where all jobs are balanced if you try and calculate things, because that\\'s the nature of math.