Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

Originally Posted by wereotter

I've not seen the all physical meta from where I play, but if that's becoming a thing, then the easiest solution is probably not a buff to casters across the board, but instead a nerf to disembowel. Even though it currently is lower than similar debuffs (5% verses 10% on slashing and blunt) it's still 5% on three DPS jobs, which adds up a lot. Bringing it down to 3% and adding a buff to DRG's personal skills to compensate that job might make it more fair.

Though I'll admit to not knowing just how much of an impact that will make as I only dabble in casting jobs, and don't really play BRD or MCH.

No, piercing down either needs to be made personal to DRG, or given to BRD and MCH. Either option opens up the meta more than leaving it as is. Casters are unrewarding enough as it is so I favor the former if this continues to be the state of caster 'changes'

I'm going to reiterate what several others said, I see the AOE nerf on smn being applicable. I am not so sure why both WW and R3 got the nerf. I'd have expected them to at least left WW intact since it seems like they moved towards big burst damage on smn. I will play the updated smn before I complain, but I'm wondering how much thought SE gave to these changes and I'm hoping it won't be like the clunky 4.0 changes where I'm full of regret for playing my beloved class again.

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Maybe you should actually learn about why FFlogs overestimated SMN. BRD+DRG+NIN+MCH were all better.

Not talking about fflogs, i mean actual contributed Raid DPS, According to http://xivrdps.herokuapp.com SMN are usually top 3 depending the encounter, sometimes behind Nin/DRG, somtimes ahead. MCH/BRD were usually slightly behind the trio.
Compare that to a Samurai (and BLM pre 4.2) who are leagues behind in terms of Raid DPS and contribute absolutely nothing.

BLM gets some buffs, it might still not be good enough to be desirable for some statics, Summoner will be very welcome in most groups because of great dps, some utility and Rezzes, RDM will be welcome for progress, not so much for speed clears, then you have either BRD/MCH for a physical Range slot and NIN/DRG/MNK fighting for the 2 melee slots while Samurais are actually dead.

Originally Posted by wereotter

I've not seen the all physical meta from where I play, but if that's becoming a thing, then the easiest solution is probably not a buff to casters across the board, but instead a nerf to disembowel. Even though it currently is lower than similar debuffs (5% verses 10% on slashing and blunt) it's still 5% on three DPS jobs, which adds up a lot. Bringing it down to 3% and adding a buff to DRG's personal skills to compensate that job might make it more fair.

Though I'll admit to not knowing just how much of an impact that will make as I only dabble in casting jobs, and don't really play BRD or MCH.

It already was a thing and has been a thing since 3.0 - intitially it was MCH + DRG + NIN + MNK, but then MNK was switched out for BRD in 3.3. In more recent times, groups have found success with both the double ranged comp and the Triple Melee comp - with BRD/DRG/NIN being a staple on both comps.

Originally Posted by GenjuroK

Not talking about fflogs, i mean actual contributed Raid DPS, According to http://xivrdps.herokuapp.com SMN are usually top 3 depending the encounter, sometimes behind Nin/DRG, somtimes ahead. MCH/BRD were usually slightly behind the trio.
Compare that to a Samurai (and BLM pre 4.2) who are leagues behind in terms of Raid DPS and contribute absolutely nothing.

BLM gets some buffs, it might still not be good enough to be desirable for some statics, Summoner will be very welcome in most groups because of great dps, some utility and Rezzes, RDM will be welcome for progress, not so much for speed clears, then you have either BRD/MCH for a physical Range slot and NIN/DRG/MNK fighting for the 2 melee slots while Samurais are actually dead.

It absolutely isn't when you compare it with a proper meta comp. DRG/NIN/BRD/MCH all provided more than SMN when using the meta comp setup.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that SAM and BLM are in bad spots - but that isn't because of SMN, that is because SAM and BLM are bad classes.

NIN/DRG aren't fighting for raid spots. Its Bard/NIN/DRG that have solidified the top three spots, with MCH/MNK/SMN competing for the last spot. Its likely that spot will be solidified by MNK in 4.2.

I'm amazed that instead of buffing Wyrmwave and removing its usability with actions that do no damage (Addle in particular), they did not address this issue at all and instead just nerfed it. Such facepalm.

I don't think the SMN changes were necessary at all the aoe was already gutted with the bane nerf, and yes SMN was supposed to be your best aoe class now that title can go to SAM.

But the nerf to WW and Ruin III our Two very important skills essential to our dps I was just like WTF SE lol what game are you even doing job balancing for becuase it ain't XIV.

Throw the whole balancing team away!!

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Its likely that spot will be solidified by MNK in 4.2.

Especially if you consider that Brotherood lines up perfectly with WAR's new IR, though I would say that the new diversion is kinda an indirect nerf to shadewalker.