Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

Originally Posted by Elix_Moarbase

If I could reach into the monitor and somehow slap you, I would.

You made a wall of text to state what everyone already knows and is common sense. What you're trying to do is conflate past changes with these in this patch. What is actually at play in this patch, with all other actions remaining constant, is that they are removing a nerf. What they think, which is what you think, is that the un-nerf, plus the other changes they have made, over time, to the class will fix the class.

This is incorrect. The buff isn't a buff. It's a de-nerf. The change to our base damage is an un-nerf.

You're just sprattling off, without even realizing that you're not making an argument against an argument that is actually being made.

I know someone who's like that. Explaining things to them is about as futile as breathing in outer space. Let them be, natural selection will do its job eventually.

Originally Posted by Elix_Moarbase

If I could reach into the monitor and somehow slap you, I would.

You made a wall of text to state what everyone already knows and is common sense. What you're trying to do is conflate past changes with these in this patch. What is actually at play in this patch, with all other actions remaining constant, is that they are removing a nerf. What they think, which is what you think, is that the un-nerf, plus the other changes they have made, over time, to the class will fix the class.

This is incorrect. The buff isn't a buff. It's a de-nerf. The change to our base damage is an un-nerf.

You're just sprattling off, without even realizing that you're not making an argument against an argument that is actually being made.

So you didn't read anything. Not even the fact that we have that we have Umbral Hearts to give more Fire IVs to throw around, thereby increasing the total damage vs. our Fire rotation vs the 4x Fire IV rotation from HW tells you anything?

Not even the 2.8s cast is a buff?

Not even realizing that we have a bigger spell, Foul, that was designed to offset the potency per cast?

Heck, just put in the numbers now. Enochian's current 10%, which has existed since 4.0, objectively makes the return of 280 base potency all that much stronger versus the HW numbers.

What looks like a de-nerf is a buff, when you include the other changes that are about that ability

but sure we can just cherry pick what we want to make our own conclusions, context is deeeeeeeeeeead

TL;DR, you'd be right but only in a vacuum.

Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare

I will continue to argue with myself about how removing a nerf is actually a buff, because they made other changes to the class. So, you know, even though the potency change is what we had in 3x-- because other changes were made-- the class is now fixed. Because, you know, things were changed over time making this removal of a previous nerf, a buff. You can keep saying that this patch simply and literally removes a nerf from 3x, but I will continually argue about how this patch is actually a buff.

I really don't know what else to say here, except 'smh.'


Oh, there's a vacuum. You just haven't realized where it's located.

Originally Posted by Elix_Moarbase

I'm gonna pretend all buffs and nerfs are in a vacuum and will only compare everything to the most exact and comparable form. I will pretend that nothing but the pure potency matters while everything surrounding the spell has no effect on the spell's usefulness or end result, even if in the end it turns out to be better than the original base form. I will also do this in a passive aggressive manner and pretend to be the intellectually superior individual for I am skilled at creating strawmen and I am skilled at destroying them. This is how I debate.

This is why I generally avoid the forums.

And yes, that was crass, but... perhaps you shouldn't have resorted to that as your response. I'm just gonna back out.