Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

Originally Posted by Altera

I am just curious now with only Fire4 getting a potency buff. Is it now worth using BLizzard4 just to get the Umbral Hearts at all or just go: B3 - T3 - Foul - F3, leaving out the time to cast B4 for more Astral Fire uptime etc.
Or does the Umbral Hearts' lower MP on first 3 F4 allow more Astral uptime?

Blizzard 4 is always worth unless a few specific things happen. Buffing Fire IV doesn't make Hearts better thoguh.

Originally Posted by Remedi

Given the background of their overall changes of the jobs during an expansion, there was 0 chance that they would've done anything different as I said countless times if ppl really expected anything more they were deluding themselves

Tell that to Monk mains. Or warrior mains. Or Ranged Physical DPS classes in HW. Or Ast mains in HW.

Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare

Also, looking through the changes with a less panicked mind, I don't think BLM is actually gonna be in a bad spot. In fact, this may just be what we need. There's a habit to overreact on this forum when their preferred classes aren't overpowered, and while a lot of people have a lot of good points, they let themselves turn toxic when they're not the gods of the game.

SMN might also be fine. The nerfs are deserved, to be honest, considering they were out DPSing SAMURAI, which was supposed to be one of the two pure DPS classes.

But we need to actually test and see. No amount of guessing will actually match the actual gameplay until the gameplay hits.

BLM is not going to be in a good spot at all. Do the math - its not going to get us near the meta. All of this was calculated before the announcement. No testing is required because our rotation is not changing. BLM hasn't even been meta since A Realm Reborn.

SMN's nerfs were in no way deserved. Just because SAM and BLM were bad, doesn't mean SMN was overpowered. Bard, Ninja, Dragoon and Machinist were all better than SMN.

Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare

We get 6 (8 with Convert) Fire IVs when we use Umbral Hearts, so it's almost always worth using Blizz IV.

Also, looking through the changes with a less panicked mind, I don't think BLM is actually gonna be in a bad spot. In fact, this may just be what we need. There's a habit to overreact on this forum when their preferred classes aren't overpowered, and while a lot of people have a lot of good points, they let themselves turn toxic when they're not the gods of the game.

SMN might also be fine. The nerfs are deserved, to be honest, considering they were out DPSing SAMURAI, which was supposed to be one of the two pure DPS classes.

But we need to actually test and see. No amount of guessing will actually match the actual gameplay until the gameplay hits.

Not trying to call you out, but you clearly do not realize that this isn't even a buff. The potency is a de-nerf, and the rest of the changes are basically qol.

Originally Posted by Elix_Moarbase

Not trying to call you out, but you clearly do not realize that this isn't even a buff. The potency is a de-nerf, and the rest of the changes are basically qol.

This. There was never any reason for them to nerf fire iv in the first place. They just didn't want us competing with SAM on launch. I'd love to have what the devs are smoking cuz they're clearly high.

Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare

Y'all haven't been reading Reddit if you thought SMN was getting any buff, because they've translated that stuff to full and revealed that what YoshiP said really low under his breath was "nerf".

In either case, rip casters.

Yoshi also said that the single target nerf "would not impact much in the larger picture"

However, nerfing Ruin III and WW is a pretty big impact ;p