Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

Originally Posted by Remedi

Given the background of their overall changes of the jobs during an expansion, there was 0 chance that they would've done anything different as I said countless times if ppl really expected anything more they were deluding themselves

Tell that to Monk mains. Or warrior mains. Or Ranged Physical DPS classes in HW. Or Ast mains in HW.

Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare

Also, looking through the changes with a less panicked mind, I don't think BLM is actually gonna be in a bad spot. In fact, this may just be what we need. There's a habit to overreact on this forum when their preferred classes aren't overpowered, and while a lot of people have a lot of good points, they let themselves turn toxic when they're not the gods of the game.

SMN might also be fine. The nerfs are deserved, to be honest, considering they were out DPSing SAMURAI, which was supposed to be one of the two pure DPS classes.

But we need to actually test and see. No amount of guessing will actually match the actual gameplay until the gameplay hits.

BLM is not going to be in a good spot at all. Do the math - its not going to get us near the meta. All of this was calculated before the announcement. No testing is required because our rotation is not changing. BLM hasn't even been meta since A Realm Reborn.

SMN's nerfs were in no way deserved. Just because SAM and BLM were bad, doesn't mean SMN was overpowered. Bard, Ninja, Dragoon and Machinist were all better than SMN.

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Tell that to Monk mains. Or warrior mains. Or Ranged Physical DPS classes in HW. Or Ast mains in HW.

What you refer is small changes on the numbers of their Cds/potency, we need more than that to be optimal, which is not happening during an expansion.

And quite frankly until I can test them for myself WAR changes to me are a nerf for the moment, won't comment on mnk because I don't play it

Originally Posted by Remedi

What you refer is small changes on the numbers of their Cds/potency, we need more than that to be optimal, which is not happening during an expansion.

And quite frankly until I can test them for myself WAR changes to me are a nerf for the moment, won't comment on mnk because I don't play it

If you buffed BLM's F4 to a large enough value, that would be optimal. Sure there are QoL changes and reworks I would like to see and I agree that those won't be seen, but it is entirely possible for SE to make BLM optimal.

They just choose not to.

Remember they released BLM in 4.0 in an unplayable state and remember the large scale changes that were made in 4.05. And we're still bottom of the pack. Hell, the changes they made today SHOULD have happened in 4.1 - but nothing was done.

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

If you buffed BLM's F4 to a large enough value, that would be optimal. Sure there are QoL changes and reworks I would like to see and I agree that those won't be seen, but it is entirely possible for SE to make BLM optimal.

They just choose not to.

Remember they released BLM in 4.0 in an unplayable state and remember the large scale changes that were made in 4.05. And we're still bottom of the pack. Hell, the changes they made today SHOULD have happened in 4.1 - but nothing was done.

Maybe we have a different opinion of what unplayable means, but no jobs in this game is/was unplayable, there are different grades of optimal, but not unplayable.

That said, you know as much as me that the only way to bandaid fix us to be somewhat relevant in a meta composition without ANY synergy is by overbuffing our dmg which as you have stated in another topic it was not going to happen.

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Did you actually play BLM in 4.0? It was absolutely awful.



Wrong. Our damage doesn't need to be overbuffed. It needs to be buffed to a level that makes it worth taking over utility. That isn't called overbuffing.

The reason SE won't do it is because they hate casters and they hate selfish DPS.

I did play it at the start and I also played in the past worse jobs that were legit unplayable, while the 4.0 rotation was not good it was far from beign considered unplayable at least from my standards.
For it's dmg to overtake utility jobs they need to overbuff the dmg compared to what it currently does and what they usually do hence why I say overbuff

Also now you are beign unreasonable, I understand you are unhappy about the patch but beign spiteful in that way is juvenile at best

Originally Posted by Remedi

I did play it at the start and I also played in the past worse jobs that were legit unplayable, while the 4.0 rotation was not good it was far from beign considered unplayable at least from my standards.

You are absolutely incorrect. The class was absolutely awful at 4.0, and that sentiment is echoed by pretty much every top BLM player.

Originally Posted by Remedi

For it's dmg to overtake utility jobs they need to overbuff the dmg compared to what it currently does and what they usually do hence why I say overbuff

If you give Black Mages enough raw damage to be equal to utility jobs, its not overbuffing.

Originally Posted by Remedi

Also now you are beign unreasonable, I understand you are unhappy about the patch but beign spiteful in that way is juvenile at best

Personally i'd say the one being unreasonable is the one using personal insults as a point of debate.

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Blizzard IV skipping was not viable in 4.0 - it is viable with current BLM after the 4.05 changes

That's not even the point I was making. Those discussions about Blizzard IV were taking place prior to 4.05, and they were taking place because of the state of the job / design of it at launch which was what my original comment was about.

Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

That's not even the point I was making. Those discussions about Blizzard IV were taking place prior to 4.05, and they were taking place because of the state of the job / design of it at launch which was what my original comment was about.

Thanks for the clarification