Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

I am just curious now with only Fire4 getting a potency buff. Is it now worth using BLizzard4 just to get the Umbral Hearts at all or just go: B3 - T3 - Foul - F3, leaving out the time to cast B4 for more Astral Fire uptime etc.
Or does the Umbral Hearts' lower MP on first 3 F4 allow more Astral uptime?

Originally Posted by Remedi

Given the background of their overall changes of the jobs during an expansion, there was 0 chance that they would've done anything different as I said countless times if ppl really expected anything more they were deluding themselves

Tell that to Monk mains. Or warrior mains. Or Ranged Physical DPS classes in HW. Or Ast mains in HW.

Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare

Also, looking through the changes with a less panicked mind, I don't think BLM is actually gonna be in a bad spot. In fact, this may just be what we need. There's a habit to overreact on this forum when their preferred classes aren't overpowered, and while a lot of people have a lot of good points, they let themselves turn toxic when they're not the gods of the game.

SMN might also be fine. The nerfs are deserved, to be honest, considering they were out DPSing SAMURAI, which was supposed to be one of the two pure DPS classes.

But we need to actually test and see. No amount of guessing will actually match the actual gameplay until the gameplay hits.

BLM is not going to be in a good spot at all. Do the math - its not going to get us near the meta. All of this was calculated before the announcement. No testing is required because our rotation is not changing. BLM hasn't even been meta since A Realm Reborn.

SMN's nerfs were in no way deserved. Just because SAM and BLM were bad, doesn't mean SMN was overpowered. Bard, Ninja, Dragoon and Machinist were all better than SMN.

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Tell that to Monk mains. Or warrior mains. Or Ranged Physical DPS classes in HW. Or Ast mains in HW.

What you refer is small changes on the numbers of their Cds/potency, we need more than that to be optimal, which is not happening during an expansion.

And quite frankly until I can test them for myself WAR changes to me are a nerf for the moment, won't comment on mnk because I don't play it

Originally Posted by Remedi

What you refer is small changes on the numbers of their Cds/potency, we need more than that to be optimal, which is not happening during an expansion.

And quite frankly until I can test them for myself WAR changes to me are a nerf for the moment, won't comment on mnk because I don't play it

If you buffed BLM's F4 to a large enough value, that would be optimal. Sure there are QoL changes and reworks I would like to see and I agree that those won't be seen, but it is entirely possible for SE to make BLM optimal.

They just choose not to.

Remember they released BLM in 4.0 in an unplayable state and remember the large scale changes that were made in 4.05. And we're still bottom of the pack. Hell, the changes they made today SHOULD have happened in 4.1 - but nothing was done.

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

If you buffed BLM's F4 to a large enough value, that would be optimal. Sure there are QoL changes and reworks I would like to see and I agree that those won't be seen, but it is entirely possible for SE to make BLM optimal.

They just choose not to.

Remember they released BLM in 4.0 in an unplayable state and remember the large scale changes that were made in 4.05. And we're still bottom of the pack. Hell, the changes they made today SHOULD have happened in 4.1 - but nothing was done.

Maybe we have a different opinion of what unplayable means, but no jobs in this game is/was unplayable, there are different grades of optimal, but not unplayable.

That said, you know as much as me that the only way to bandaid fix us to be somewhat relevant in a meta composition without ANY synergy is by overbuffing our dmg which as you have stated in another topic it was not going to happen.

Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare

We get 6 (8 with Convert) Fire IVs when we use Umbral Hearts, so it's almost always worth using Blizz IV.

Also, looking through the changes with a less panicked mind, I don't think BLM is actually gonna be in a bad spot. In fact, this may just be what we need. There's a habit to overreact on this forum when their preferred classes aren't overpowered, and while a lot of people have a lot of good points, they let themselves turn toxic when they're not the gods of the game.

SMN might also be fine. The nerfs are deserved, to be honest, considering they were out DPSing SAMURAI, which was supposed to be one of the two pure DPS classes.

But we need to actually test and see. No amount of guessing will actually match the actual gameplay until the gameplay hits.

Not trying to call you out, but you clearly do not realize that this isn't even a buff. The potency is a de-nerf, and the rest of the changes are basically qol.

Originally Posted by Elix_Moarbase

Not trying to call you out, but you clearly do not realize that this isn't even a buff. The potency is a de-nerf, and the rest of the changes are basically qol.

This. There was never any reason for them to nerf fire iv in the first place. They just didn't want us competing with SAM on launch. I'd love to have what the devs are smoking cuz they're clearly high.