Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

You know there's tabs you can open to look up the individual fights right.

Yeah I know but I'm pointing to the fact you knowing this as well decided to purposefully use bad data to confuse the reader and fit your narrative...

What about the 4 clears on God Kefka? Or the fact there is no BLM on any speed kill on any of the bosses and of course no BLM on World First as well, both on Deltascape and already on Sigsmacape, but no BLM must be balanced because at 80th percentile of all fights (whatever that means) it is ahead on PERSONAL dps.

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

You know there's tabs you can open to look up the individual fights right, where the data is p consistent for the first 3. Have you put in the effort to dig around a bit before getting aggressive? lol

With only four data points, there isn't enough data to say one way or the other. Even Mach with 65 it's still too few to really pinpoint, though there we can get a good idea that 5700 is on the higher end and 5000 on the lower, because there's many points in between.

That's how statistical data works. The more data you have, the better you can analyze and infer information from there. You cannot do this with 4 points. You can, at best, infer that the top 3 of the 4, being closely clustered, represent an average.

We can infer that given it's the hardest content available this tier, that they represent the average of the top (95-100), which is to say that I'd still rather take a machinist of the same skill level.

I agree, more data is needed though I doubt it will change much due to fflogs fixing a bug that didn't account for thunder ticks in combination with the mch nerfs, blm buffs. And sorry I linked that page I assumed whoever clicked on it would have the capacity to dig around the site themselves. Also, there were fewer than 10 AST/SCH comps that cleared first week, one of which was my own, does that make AST bad? No it's just worse in prog.

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

I agree, more data is needed though I doubt it will change much due to fflogs fixing a bug that didn't account for thunder ticks in combination with the mch nerfs, blm buffs. And sorry I linked that page I assumed whoever clicked on it would have the capacity to dig around the site themselves. Also, there were fewer than 10 AST/SCH comps that cleared first week, one of which was my own, does that make AST bad? No it's just worse in prog.

You went out of your way to bring the exactly data that would fit your narrative so no, don't pretend it was some accident or something. As for your AST example it doesn't fit BLM's case at all, BLM is not just bad on prog...

I mean, everywhere you click on that dataset fits my narrative LOL. If you're talking about speed running all classes but 8 will be excluded, does that mean you can't do amazing on those that are? No it doesn't.

Originally Posted by CreinCrein

I mean, everywhere you click on that dataset fits my narrative LOL. If you're talking about speed running all classes but 8 will be excluded, does that mean you can't do amazing on those that are? No it doesn't.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21...set=80&boss=55 - 4 clears super good right?

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21...set=80&boss=52 - 80 dps more than Monk (if the tanks spam their first damage combo skill during Brotherhood it will probably make up for this ridiculously low difference).

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21...set=80&boss=51 - 32 dps more than the much more mobile class that also have access to combat Res and raid dps increase, that is Summoner (so again we are losing on raid dps on the 80th percentile you proposed yourself).

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21...set=80&boss=53 - A fight we are actually doing well, because differently from you I don't go picking logs that only fit my narrative.

So exactly how do the logs fits your narrative again?

MNK ad SMN are also competing for the 4th spot, so rest assured if your dear MCH loses their raid spot it is not going to be to a BLM.

My point was that BLM brings incredible personal dps, which makes up for it's lack of utility. If you'd like to argue how it's untrue and that overall raid dps for picking anything else is higher, the difference is so small it's irrelevant. People are treating meta picks as if they make you do 50% more damage. The difference isn't drastic and what's more important is being GOOD at your job.

Originally Posted by Lina_Slayer

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"Biased image" lmao I just searched for o5s logs. Anyway we're only at the start of week 2 so of course there aren't many parses of BLM on god kefka, people would rather take safer picks like RDM due to the low ilv gear.

Also stop acting as if raid buffs make SUCH A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE, it's nice to have, but it's not enough to nullify a job. Point is, BLM does high damage and has low utility because of that, AND THAT'S FINE, THE DRAWBACK WON'T MAKE A CLEAR TAKE 1 MINUTE. Y'all so damn dramatic