Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

This will even out casters as is should be BLM > SMN > RDM

See, now that's the part that bugs me.

Where do we get this preconceived notion that one class should out perform the other?

I understand comparing personal damage, raid damage, utility, etc. However, this notion that the casters, or any other groups of similar classes, need to be ranked against each other in this infallible list just strikes me as odd, and part of the reason we are so up-in-arms over some of the most trivial changes to the classes. I feel like if we stop trying to come up with some ordered list to the value of our caster classes, we'd all fee a lot better about how and what we play.

I get it, we all want "our" class to be better, and we are guilty of wanting it to be the best, to out perform the others. It's such a cliched reasoning but - it's human nature. But the sooner we stop thinking that way, and stop trying to rank the casters, the better.

Originally Posted by Tsurayu

Where do we get this preconceived notion that one class should out perform the other?

From the tradition of "Final Fantasy" games.

I don't play BLM; but in my Squee-fangirl heart of hearts, I believe the Black Mage (played correctly, with elegance) should always be the "Biggest Gun in the Universe" - the profession which makes everyone go "OH STERCUS WE ARE GOING TO DIE!" when they enter a room, with dramatic theme music

Summoners are stereotypically "nicer" than Black Mages; they tend to not want to go for FULL POWAH, playing to empathy.

And so on

~From an average SMN

Originally Posted by CatStarPrime

From the tradition of "Final Fantasy" games.

I don't play BLM; but in my Squee-fangirl heart of hearts, I believe the Black Mage (played correctly, with elegance) should always be the "Biggest Gun in the Universe" - the profession which makes everyone go "OH STERCUS WE ARE GOING TO DIE!" when they enter a room, with dramatic theme music

Summoners are stereotypically "nicer" than Black Mages; they tend to not want to go for FULL POWAH, playing to empathy.

And so on

~From an average SMN

Eeh? Have we been playing the same games? As far as I am aware Summoners have always been the far more... explosive mage. Granted Summoners can be seen as "nicer" but they are far from weaker. FFIX springs to mind. Vivi is next to useless end game compared to Eiko and Garnet, or even Quina for that matter.

Though they may have always been generally weaker in ST throughout the series, their ability to take out multiple foes was rarely, if ever, matched.

Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Eeh? Have we been playing the same games? As far as I am aware Summoners have always been the far more... explosive mage.

It's been a long time since I played 9, but I know I never used Eiko or Garnet if I wasn't forced to do so. I would take Zidane, Steiner, Vivi, and backfill with Frey or Amarant

Originally Posted by Tsurayu

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Because the way it goes is the more party utility you bring, the less DPS you bring. (that's been the golden rule with XIV)
Every job is supposed to have it's place.
for casters:
BLM are supposed to be the high dps job (that bring no party buffs, they just bring more damage)
SMN has a raise, and party utility in the forms of devotion and such, so in a perfect balanced world it shouldnt bring as much dps as the BLM but still be up there.
RDM is a two faced coin, it brings a bad heal and a raise, and it's dps by double cast, heal + raise + doublecast making able to pull raises out more (without factoring in MP) makes it slightly lower than SMN in damage.

SMN didn't need a nerf in ST, maybe in AOE but not in ST, though I want to see the effect of the whole changes together to see how it'll pan out in the end

Originally Posted by hynaku

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RDM don't need a nerf. SAM is kind of just there. The nerfs are significant for SMN but not ground breaking. They will lose about 150-200 dps. I feel they should have just nerfed Ruin 3 OR WW. Nerfing both seems a bit much. Ruin 3 is the spam spell for SMN...so the 10 potency nerf is going to show. WW shouldn't have been touched since it is part of Bahamut rotation and that is already strict and IT SHOULD be worth the amount of effort that goes into using it. (Aetherflow has to be up, not moving during Bahamut, weaving Ruin 2 in with Festers + Tri D + Addle) It's an insanely strict rotation with little to no room for error.
But I've been loyal to SMN since launch, even when SMN was considered the worst job and there were statics with "LF DPS NO SMN ALLOWED" back at 50 cap - due to SMN literally being the worst job in the game.

Originally Posted by hynaku

After these nerfs to smn don't see playing one anymore. Why don't we ever see them nerfing rdm's or sam's. looks like time for me to find another class to main. If it wasn't for those tanks super pulling I would still main a healer. Also dps is affected by your ping to. If you have same class both geared the same one with lowest ping will still do more dps than other one because of the lag difference.

It's a minor nerf.. together with the FFLogs change it might be perceived larger than it is though.
You'll lose about 100 DPS from the nerf itself, and another 50-100 on fflogs from the radiant change.
The position of SMN won't really change at all. MCH might fall out of meta in favor of MNK, but SMN will still be a solid pick for a static, especially for normal progression groups.

Point is, no reason to change jobs over this (aside from the nerf having meme-status).