Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

Originally Posted by Remedi

As I said maybe I have a different experience on what unplayable really means

Apparently a literal definition. And that's okay. I find it amusing and concerning (which it is depends on my mood that day I guess) that the guy in charge of this game mains BLM and released it for 4.0 in the state it was in. It also kind of blows my mind that we were given new tools in the expansion like Umbral Hearts and the big debate was whether it was a DPS gain or not to ignore the new tool.

Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

Apparently a literal definition. And that's okay. I find it amusing and concerning (which it is depends on my mood that day I guess) that the guy in charge of this game mains BLM and released it for 4.0 in the state it was in. It also kind of blows my mind that we were given new tools in the expansion like Umbral Hearts and the big debate was whether it was a DPS gain or not to ignore the new tool.

Umbral hearts fill 2 roles. A filler spell (B4) in ice while waiting on Mana ticks, and trading time in Ice for time in Fire (A tit for tat GCD trade)

The 'tool' is directly related to dealing damage, so the merits of the tool will be based solely on whether you're doing more or less damage with it.

Originally Posted by Kabooa

Umbral hearts fill 2 roles. A filler spell (B4) in ice while waiting on Mana ticks, and trading time in Ice for time in Fire (A tit for tat GCD trade)

The 'tool' is directly related to dealing damage, so the merits of the tool will be based solely on whether you're doing more or less damage with it.

I'm aware of how the 'tool' works. If it was unclear, my use of past tense there referred to expansion launch, not any current debate about the merits of Bliz 4.

Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

Apparently a literal definition. And that's okay. I find it amusing and concerning (which it is depends on my mood that day I guess) that the guy in charge of this game mains BLM and released it for 4.0 in the state it was in. It also kind of blows my mind that we were given new tools in the expansion like Umbral Hearts and the big debate was whether it was a DPS gain or not to ignore the new tool.

The guy in charge of this game wanted to get rid of protect, the dev team outvoted him, so while I understand that ppl tend to accuse him of everything since he's pretty much the face of this game, the truth is another which is that the dev team has enough power to make decisions by itself

So, I'm not saying I'm especially glad with the change. I was really hoping for 300 (but still expecting 280) and perhaps a bit more (like Ley Line adjusted to 60sec)

Anyway, BLM will most likely not be part of the dps meta yadiyada but, beside those group aiming for the top fflogs, for let say 50 to 80 percentils, will that buff makes BLM fine in itself?

Like, by going in a pf where no buffs will ever be sync (beside on pull) and it's pretty much free for all until the boss is down, will BLM contribute a good rdps compared to others?



Trick Attack and other similar buffs loose a lot of value when it done randomly and doesn't align with any Wild Fire, Libra, Bahamoo etc etc, making the NIN tdps much lower than what you would have in a meta run. (or just the same run where people actually align everything properly).
Since BLM brings no buff, the less organised a group is, the more valuable his selfish dps is.

What do you think?

I'm not interested in fflogs as I only BLM casually (healmain) but I still would like to know if my overall raid contribution will be fine when I join a pf.

blm 3.0 and 4.0 were both broken.... 4.0 not quite as much as 3.0, but still broken

smn 4.2 could have used a nerf, but why so major??..

Originally Posted by Shiroe

blm 3.0 and 4.0 were both broken.... 4.0 not quite as much as 3.0, but still broken

smn 4.2 could have used a nerf, but why so major??..

It's not major, granted the sources of damage it's a 2% overall nerf. At current DPS standards it's a 100 DPS loss max. Should still be above SAM or in the neibourghood (checked on O1-O4 average fights 95% performance)

Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

SMN needed a nerf. Plain and simple. It was doing more damage than SAMURAI in the 95 percentiles, being top dps. And it brought radiant shield/contagion & devotion. The BLM buff is going to add around 220 dps based on 95 percentile again. This will even out casters as is should be BLM > SMN > RDM, but will also most likely destroy SMN's already fragile place in any sort of meta.

On the other end they buffed MNK so much that it could replace MCH in the meta in triple melee friendly fights.

SMN's personal damage on FFlogs included Radiant Shield, and was overestimated.

There's also some issues with their DoT's being overestimated according to Nemekh.

Bard/Ninja/Dragoon and Machinist were all better classes.

Feel free to checkout Blackcat's raid dps tool if you want more context

While you are correct it would even out casters, it also firmly makes sure no caster is anywhere near optimal.