Thread: Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

Originally Posted by RainDurell

Kabooa, don\\'t ignore how BLM technically does have utility. Also "more mobility" is a part of personal dps, in which blm STILL wins.

Again, don\\'t apply math to raiding, because it\\'s not how it works in reality, and with math there will ALWAYS be a top 4 dps, if one gets buffed, he will become the new top dps. Do you see the flaw of basing everything on math? There will never be a situation where all jobs are balanced if you try and calculate things, because that\\'s the nature of math.

Red Mage and Summoner have access to the same utility and bring more. Summoner quite literally loses almost nothing for it, and Red Mage is the superior choice for progression. You'd know that, I'm sure.

And this doesn't help that the "Caster" utility is in almost all ways inferior to Ranged Utility.

Listen to what YoshiP said this liveletter, stop acting like raid utility is all that matters, the personal performance of someone can also get you to victory.

Originally Posted by RainDurell

Listen to what YoshiP said this liveletter, stop acting like raid utility is all that matters, the personal performance of someone can also get you to victory.

This is a disingenuous because you're inherently assuming both the "meta" job players and the "non-meta" aren't of equal skill. A fair comparison means we must assume the jobs are being played by equally skilled players. In that scenario, Dragoon, for instance, far exceeds Samurai's value because Litany and Disembowel are that beneficial for physical ranged jobs, especially Bard. Although Black Mage is in a far better spot now than it has previously, it's debatable whether the DPS equates to enough where it offsets Summoner's comparably high damage and utility. We'll have to see as parses begin to even out.

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

This is a disingenuous because you're inherently assuming both the "meta" job players and the "non-meta" aren't of equal skill.

Yeha this is important. You can't win with a bad BLM, but you might win with a bad MCH because Hypercharge is really strong, all he has to do is press that button.

Originally Posted by RainDurell

Bringing a BLM over RDM/SMN wont break the party, it just means you wont have battle res, and instead you get higher dps.

Black mage brings considerably higher dps than Red Mage. on Summoner, they about par once your factor in Summoner's Devotion.

Red Mages in heavy PDPS set ups are generally only about 5-7% behind Black Mages when taking into account total damage contribution.

Generally speaking, in terms of total Raid DPS, this means that if the raid with black Mage is at 100%, then the raid with Red Mage is around 98% and the raid with Summoner at 99-100%

Originally Posted by RainDurell

@Harold
Harold you literally can't base raid performance using math, I already explained that. Player skill level is a much bigger factor that which job you choose to bring to the group.
Besides, I thought you said fflogs is hardly a way to measure performance?
I'm not blindly listening to YoshiP and being like "yo he is right", I just actually agree with him.
... Also quit with the passive-aggressive crap lmao "try again", it's not really a thing you'd say in an argument about a videogame.

Until you are actually going to read my posts and discuss things with an open mind, there's absolutely no reason to respond to you further. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, are unable to accept evidence that counters your points and contradict yourself constantly.

Or to stop taking mmos like an irl job, where you have to optimize everything, crushing everything in your path to that end, without caring of whose tossed aside feels like in your search of always more less time wasted, more profits and more first performance place. I see enough of this s**t at work to want to see it as well in my games.

You know something is not right when you stop bringing your rdm's "utility" in raids because you feel that regular healers have a bad habit to let you do all the rez's work when you are here, so that they can concentrate on their awesome dps while you are thrown in a state of fear to be labbelled as "grey" after getting out of mana because of all the ressurections. Or when you are asking yourself "should i really use this buff that make my team mates dps goes up but not mine ? My dps will look better compared to theirs in the raid's fflogs front page if i don't use it that often".