Patch 4.2 Notes (Preliminary)

**LaurieB** · 01-28-2018 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by Callinon

People don't care that much about it in normal dungeons. A first-timer in there watching the cutscenes isn't disruptive because it occurs literally twice: right at the beginning when you're still in the circle of waiting, and right before the last boss which is generally just a quick boss intro (the Stone Vigil one is pretty long). But in CM and Prae... holy crap there are a lot of them and they're all lengthy. That's the complaint here. I don't mind if a new player wants to watch the cutscenes. But I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be frustrated with a 15 minute dungeon taking 45 minutes because of cutscenes.

I did not say anyone's opinion is unreasonable. I am simply stating that there are times when it affects people that are new to the game. It was an example. I am not discounting anyone's opinion on this, yours is as valid as mine in my view. I was just giving an example of the other side of this.

**Beckett** · 01-27-2018 08:36 PM

All these people saying they'll never do MSQ Roulette now just proves how flawed the Roulette system is to begin with. The intent behind it was to get vets to help new players experience old content, but of course nobody actually cares about the new players, they just care about that sweet loot.

Not trying to act holier than thou. I never did MSQ Roulette before this patch, and I'm certainly not going to after. I'm not sure if there is a real way to incentivize people to help newbies, but this roulette system sure ain't it.

**Akor** · 01-27-2018 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Beckett

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Mass majority only care about the reward this is true, but if SE doesnt give any reward for running dungeon, would ppl care more about sprouts? Maybe a minor group. If they would not give anything for me running this dungeon its non existence for me and for many other ppl too. This was compensate for sprouts and for veterans for queing up (and indirectly helping them to finisht this dungeon) if your doing it for reward or not, doesnt matter.

Its SE fault and not the communitys fault, we begged since 2.0 for fixing this shit, to make it instance, but nope, lets brute force it. Yay. Well the reason why now is probably to make new/veteran to buy the story skip. <_<
Its all according to the plan.

**Evogolist** · 01-28-2018 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Beckett

All these people saying they'll never do MSQ Roulette now just proves how flawed the Roulette system is to begin with. The intent behind it was to get vets to help new players experience old content, but of course nobody actually cares about the new players, they just care about that sweet loot.

Not trying to act holier than thou. I never did MSQ Roulette before this patch, and I'm certainly not going to after. I'm not sure if there is a real way to incentivize people to help newbies, but this roulette system sure ain't it.

It's not that people don't care about new players, it's the unnecessary time extension of the duty that a lot of people have gripe over. CM and Prae have well over 40+ minutes of cutscenes, that's probably including the credits and all after beating Prae, and now you're going to be forced to sit through all of those cutscenes again because of people wanting immersion. So it becomes a serious time constraint for those who were looking to just get it done and over with.

What happens if a person goes afk while in the middle of a cutscene? This was the whole reason why we got auto kick and was able to skip those cutscenes in the first place, because people were going afk and abusing such a system. I remember not even being able to so much as run CM because people were queuing up and afking at the opening cutscene for the sake of trolling. So this is so much of a step backwards than forwards and seems more like SE thinking money first, since this'll force more players to just buy story jump potions instead.

**Alleo** · 01-28-2018 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Beckett

The intent behind it was to get vets to help new players experience old content, but of course nobody actually cares about the new players, they just care about that sweet loot.

So people should literally waste their time each day or at least once a week for 1-2 hours depending on the queue time (which is already not fast even right now) to help someone through this (if there is even a new player)? I mean its not like people are not already queueing randomly for other roulettes instead of going in premade..or people trying to explain fights and jobs to newer players? Should we go around and take half of our time that we can play the game (or even more) to run stuff with new players that we wont even see anymore?

Roulette is there to keep old content alive by giving the players a good enough rewards to do X the Y amount of time...this at least gives older content the chance to stay alive longer. You simply cant force people into this old stuff without a good reward. People dont just simply want to run this thing forever for nothing and why should they?

**Lambdafish** · 01-28-2018 05:21 AM

Did anyone see the cutscene textbox size change in the patch notes? It was in the Dev blog but I couldn't see it in the patch notes. I was excited for that change

**RLofOBFL** · 01-28-2018 06:08 AM

Im wondering if in exchange for not skipping, they give you exp equivalent to how long it would take. Say it took an hour, so they give exp equal to 3ish level roulettes. That's basically the jest case scenario for this change.

**BillyKaplan** · 01-28-2018 06:10 AM

I'm more concerned with people who have nothing left to level. What's in it for us to run the thing now?

**Adventica6** · 01-28-2018 07:55 AM

Not happy with the smn and pld nerfs, may change to sch because of it.

You can add all the dungeons/raids you want if you keep nerfing classes/fun out of the game you will start losing subscribers, this isn't wow you don't get to nerf every patch cycle.

**Lambdafish** · 01-28-2018 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Adventica6

Not happy with the smn and pld nerfs, may change to sch because of it.

You can add all the dungeons/raids you want if you keep nerfing classes/fun out of the game you will start losing subscribers, this isn't wow you don't get to nerf every patch cycle.

Power creep is a thing. The devs very very rarely nerf classes, and the ones that they did got very minor nerfs. PLD is still the best tank, don't worry.

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