Dear PLDs

[Greyhawk]

Why is this bad. So many healers are forced into DPSing.. A heal from the tank allows them to do more DPS...

No one is forcing them to do anything but their role they signed up for when they joined the duty finder. If they are doing anything above and beyond, fine, but stop sacrificing your primary role in the group.

[Dualblade]

No one is forcing them to do anything but their role they signed up for when they joined the duty finder. If they are doing anything above and beyond, fine, but stop sacrificing your primary role in the group.

Well healing draws aggro so it seems perfectly acceptable from that line of thought.

[Nedkel]

Well healing draws aggro so it seems perfectly acceptable from that line of thought.

It will not pull the mobs from the tank who know what he is doing.

Healer should be there for heal, not for dealing damage.
Leave damage dealing to dps, they have better aoe's.

[Dualblade]

It will not pull the mobs from the tank who know what he is doing.

Healer should be there for heal, not for dealing damage.
Leave damage dealing to dps, they have better aoe's.

I ment in regards to PLDs using Clemancy, shoulda said that.

[Awful]

Leave damage dealing to dps, they have better aoe's.

You can establish aggro and use your Total Eclipse and do some AoE damage to contribute there's literally no reason to spam Flash until you're blue in the face.

[Zhamkyong]

So... I am reading the tank forums because i was starting to tanking but... is this serious? do some players really get salty because a tank heals himself or other for a bit?

[Greyhawk]

You can establish aggro and use your Total Eclipse and do some AoE damage to contribute there's literally no reason to spam Flash until you're blue in the face.

And unfortunately, as I've said before - with potency and damage levels being increased while tanking is being nerfed makes no sense either. Using flash x3 on a mob, one after another and still not being able to pull agro from RDMs and WHMs spamming DPS abilities doesn't justify them doing that until they are blue in the face either. I don't understand why so many DPS/heal DPS try like absolute hell to pull mobs from tanks. It's a balance, not a competition.

[Awful]

And unfortunately, as I've said before - with potency and damage levels being increased while tanking is being nerfed makes no sense either. Using flash x3 on a mob, one after another and still not being able to pull agro from RDMs and WHMs spamming DPS abilities doesn't justify them doing that until they are blue in the face either. I don't understand why so many DPS/heal DPS try like absolute hell to pull mobs from tanks. It's a balance, not a competition.

How is tanking being nerfed? If anything tanking hasn't changed since the Vit change and holding aggro is insanely easy, i'm not saying you should drop tank stance and rush in spamming Total Eclipse and lose threat while dying no. Good tanks establish their threat and weave in AoE damage which is especially easy for Pld as they have so many tools and great mitigation for anything really.

As for your comment on Rdms and Whms spamming and overtaking threat, unless you literally didn't Flash or use Fight or Flight on CD (which you should it's a 60 sec free damage + threat CD), then yeah you're gonna have a bad time. Use your toolkit, rotate CDs, use AoE when necessary, Clemency can still be useful if the healer messed up, all these things make Pld a great tank nor is tanking nerfed, as I play a War main and I can pull everything, Inner Release with Vengeance and Decimate everything with my Blm/Rdm/Whm and it's all dead in 15 seconds, no healing required.

[Mavrias]

And unfortunately, as I've said before - with potency and damage levels being increased while tanking is being nerfed makes no sense either. Using flash x3 on a mob, one after another and still not being able to pull agro from RDMs and WHMs spamming DPS abilities doesn't justify them doing that until they are blue in the face either. I don't understand why so many DPS/heal DPS try like absolute hell to pull mobs from tanks. It's a balance, not a competition.

Maybe I'm not understanding you properly; a PLD can't hold hate off a dps and a dpsing healer and it's the dps's and healer's fault?

[Aana]

Maybe I'm not understanding you properly; a PLD can't hold hate off a dps and a dpsing healer and it's the dps's and healer's fault?

Yeah I'm not following either. Tank enmity is the highest it has ever been in the history of the game. Tank stances have been buffed multiple times. OP/Flash/Unleash got their enmity doubled. Shirk exists. This expansion brought enmity shedding moves to every class via cross class. Diversion just got an epic level buff. Tank stances are less punishing to use than ever (Damage penalty reduced, unchained separated, IR usable in defiance, bloodspiller in the game, among other enhancements over 2.x and 3.x).

If you loose hate to anyone for any reason besides being 40 ilvls below your DPS, there is no excuse.