Samurai Feedback Post

[gintokiygo]

The problem is that it's not selfish enough. The dps it brings doesn't compare against most utility's currently as of 4.2 . The development team and Yoshi-P promised that they would look at jobs after Monk and look to make raid utility close to equal all across the board. Samurai offers the slashing debuff something that Ninja and Warrior already provide, without anything else Samurai will always have a hard time finding groups or staying popular this expansion. My suggestion is to increase the slashing debuff that Samurai provides up to 15% and prevent it from being overridden. 5% boost to Samurai damage 5% extra from both Tanks and Ninja. That will give still make Samurai a selfish damage dealer but more accepted.

[Dualgunner]

Everyone complained SAM was "OP" when 4.0 launched, so SE buffed the other melee classes and now everyone says "SAM is worthless raiding, go DRG or NIN". Maybe don't listen to players who say DRG and NIN need buffs next time SE.

Correct me if I'm wrong but...did NIN get any buffs? As far as I remember offhand, they only had the gust slash nerf.

[wereotter]

Ninja got buffs on certain skills when Square realized they were incorrectly coded as physical damage rather than magical. So they upped the potency when they fixed it so ninjas wouldn’t feel bad when the outgoing damage was lessened as a result of not getting the benefit from the slashing debuff and dripping blades trait.

Not exactly an outright buff, as the job started stronger than they expected, but still an instance of imbalance between what they intended for its power level vs utility.

[LysLuc]

Ninja got buffs on certain skills when Square realized they were incorrectly coded as physical damage rather than magical. So they upped the potency when they fixed it so ninjas wouldn’t feel bad when the outgoing damage was lessened as a result of not getting the benefit from the slashing debuff and dripping blades trait.

Not exactly an outright buff, as the job started stronger than they expected, but still an instance of imbalance between what they intended for its power level vs utility.

So far the NIN "buffs" have been nerfs to them. Bhavacakra got 50 potency to get the skill to 600 (From 550 to 600), but lost about 90 (Was 687.5+) potency from the dripping blades trait alone. And the same goes for Doton (Used to do 400+ potency and does now 360). Again, this is only from the dripping blades traits, not counting the slashing that might've been added to them, dont remember if it did at that time.

[GenjuroK]

It seems like people have already given up on Samurai, tons of raider who enjoyed Samurai have switched to DRG/NIN or will be switching now, it turned from decent in 4.0 to bad in 4.1 to dead in 4.2.

Samurais will probably be behind Monks, Black Mages and even Summoner in personal DPS and at the very bottom with Red Mages when it comes to actual contributed Raid DPS. At least RDM will be wanted for progress. Samurais bring absolutely nothing to the table, the job is alot of fun and i was so looking forward to playing it but it just became too weak and undesirable in any group setting, it needs either some utility or has to be much stronger in personal DPS. Utitily would be the best choice, thats what people playing this game usually prefer. You could say it doesnt really matter for casual players but even then, so many pick up groups in Party Finder block out Samurais because a mediocre Nin or Drg is always better than a mediocre Samurai.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Everyone complained SAM was "OP" when 4.0 launched, so SE buffed the other melee classes and now everyone says "SAM is worthless raiding, go DRG or NIN". Maybe don't listen to players who say DRG and NIN need buffs next time SE.

This is nonsense. The only people calling Samurai OP were idiots who read the tooltip and saw a high number. Even when people were still figuring out jobs, Dragoon and Ninja remained the de facto "meta."

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This is nonsense. The only people calling Samurai OP were idiots who read the tooltip and saw a high number. Even when people were still figuring out jobs, Dragoon and Ninja remained the de facto "meta."

And this is the problem. People reading tooltips and complaining. Most people are not theory crafters and top 20%. They see "oh, this job has high numbers and looks like it will make mine irrelevant, better go complain on the forums." There were many such posts IIRC. We have 2 selfish DPS who do not really out dps the non selfish dps by much, if at all in some fights. They either need to nerf DRG and NIN, or make some significant changes to BLM and SAM.

[Neela]

And this is the problem. They see "oh, this job has high numbers and looks like it will make mine irrelevant, better go complain on the forums."

actually this... first move is complaining, second move is flaming, third move is switching to the wtj cls – "because se forced me to drop xy!" people are so... erratic and hypercritical... always want to be the "strongest" one around. no-one forces u to anything - except your own ego. why not just take your cls in good AND bad times?... nerfs & buffs are coming anyway... like always : o

Honestly I never understood this mentality.... : /

[Caitlyn]

why not just take your cls in good AND bad times?... nerfs & buffs are coming anyway... like always : o

Main Machinists can relate. Since 2015.

[Neela]

Main Machinists can relate. Since 2015.

really glad to hear that there are people around who don't give a fuck on wtjs as well! :3 – *thumbs up* <3