Samurai Feedback Post

[wereotter]

The issue is that Square Enix will not take into account DPS utility when balancing DPS classes, meaning Samurai and Black Mage will always get the raw end of the stick

I think they started with that intent when Stormblood launched with how much utility jobs like SMN and DRG have, so they rightly started the expansion with lower damage. Then Square caved to the complaints and buffed the jobs so that now jobs have both high damage, utility, and mobility regarding mechanics. This is blatantly in contrast to their initially stated goal that high mobility, high utility jobs would have low personal DPS.

[HaroldSaxon]

I think they started with that intent when Stormblood launched with how much utility jobs like SMN and DRG have, so they rightly started the expansion with lower damage. Then Square caved to the complaints and buffed the jobs so that now jobs have both high damage, utility, and mobility regarding mechanics. This is blatantly in contrast to their initially stated goal that high mobility, high utility jobs would have low personal DPS.

I'm not so sure. Utility classes were still strong in 4.0 - hell, BLM was utterly broken in a bad way - both damage wise and rotationally back then. While DRG, MCH and SMN did get buffs, Bard was still very strong, as was Ninja. RDM was also a bit stronger, albeit due to a bug.

[Marianno]

^This above. Square should have gone with their initial intent. If I remember correctly when people complained about DRG and it was stated in some live letter or what have you, "DRG is a support melee job" people disliked that so Square caved. Cannot find where that was said but I do remember that being stated. SAM/BLM should be competing with each other but instead both are flat out not found to be in between a rock and a hard place.

[gintokiygo]

I'm inclined to agree on I believe that the initial potencies and weapon skills damage that samurai started out with was meant to compete with the other dps starting SB launch

[gintokiygo]

Futhermore the development team needs to acknowledge that the meta has been the same for quite some time as far as dps is concerned double range is too powerful due to the disembowel debuff.

[Marianno]

I dislike saying that something should get toned down but in this case, I think maybe disembowel needs some kind of rework, removal, or outright removal while adding the damage to DRG personally. No amount of "play what you want and ignore the meta" will be enough currently. Square needs to not only acknowledge that jobs with utility simply do said DPS more damage than those with only raw personal damage but address the fact that certain jobs are always wanted and certain others are shunned or simply not as favorable. We have gone too long with jobs that have tons of utility running rampant and out of control. This needs to stop or give SAM/BLM the numbers to match. (Got a little carried away but you get the point).

[LysLuc]

I dislike saying that something should get toned down but in this case, I think maybe disembowel needs some kind of rework, removal, or outright removal while adding the damage to DRG personally. No amount of "play what you want and ignore the meta" will be enough currently.

They should just change BRD and MCH their damage type to ranged damage or just physical damage instead of piercing. This would mean that RDM stilll has a benefit of having a DRG and it will just destroy the entire piercing meta as well. This also makes it so the party isnt forced to take a DRG with them if they have a BRD/MCH for the bonus 5% damage.

[gintokiygo]

Potency increases would be enough Samurai plays very well for the target playerbase it's aimmed towards

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Everyone complained SAM was "OP" when 4.0 launched, so SE buffed the other melee classes and now everyone says "SAM is worthless raiding, go DRG or NIN". Maybe don't listen to players who say DRG and NIN need buffs next time SE.

[Rasikko]

Everyone complained SAM was "OP" when 4.0 launched, so SE buffed the other melee classes and now everyone says "SAM is worthless raiding, go DRG or NIN". Maybe don't listen to players who say DRG and NIN need buffs next time SE.

SAM just don't offer any "carry a whole group of slackers" abilities in raids. They are a "selfish" DPS.