Hunt Community vs Hunt Snipers

[Spiroglyph]

I'm gonna attempt to put forward 2 suggestions that will turn the hunt system on its head, to open up some discussion of improvements.
1) Convert all B/A/S rank hunts to a special "Hunt Rush" trial area. You'd queue for it like any other duty, and it'd work a bit like Aquapolis, in that if ya wipe, you're thrown out and locked out from rewards for say, a day. Each successfully killed hunt will reward seals.
2) Keep the hunts as they are but instance them per party (that will have an opening window, a bit like ephem nodes, during which time anyone can party up and attempt to access it). You'll only get credit for your 1st kill of that hunt.

I'd like for hunts to be turned into FATEs of sorts, with level sync and all. Would make it a hell of a lot more interesting, and not soloable. It'd still be competitive, as FATEs have a timer once engaged and people would still have to rush there to make it in time - just to add another suggestion to this thread (that's already been mentioned in other hunt-related threads).

As for OP - while I understand you did what you did with good intentions at heart, and while it annoys me personally when I see people selfishly doing hunts like those people from your server - shouting profanity, resetting hunts and following them around calling them out on their behaviour, when they weren't actually desrespecting any rules in place (unlike you), well. :/ I'm not surprised you were banned.

[NephthysVasudan]

Why, years after the content was released, do you still care about S-ranks in old zones? Surely you don't still need the seals/tomes. Killing them isn't fun or interesting. It boggles my mind that anyone finds hunts engaging; I consider them absolute garbage content. Are you just after that mount from that nigh-impossible achievement? Yuck. If so, getting banned is probably healthy for you.

Sometimes as I buzz through old ARR / HW zones, I spy an A rank up and kill it solo; it's like finding a dollar that someone dropped on the ground. I don't shout or notify anyone that I found it. Do people actually care about that? It never occurred to me.

Check Achievements...... your answer is there.

[Zsolen]

Why, years after the content was released, do you still care about S-ranks in old zones? Surely you don't still need the seals/tomes. Killing them isn't fun or interesting. It boggles my mind that anyone finds hunts engaging; I consider them absolute garbage content. Are you just after that mount from that nigh-impossible achievement? Yuck. If so, getting banned is probably healthy for you.

Sometimes as I buzz through old ARR / HW zones, I spy an A rank up and kill it solo; it's like finding a dollar that someone dropped on the ground. I don't shout or notify anyone that I found it. Do people actually care about that? It never occurred to me.

People that haven't unlocked all mount speeds do. Also those that want to glamour gc gear. There is also the mount.

[Lord_Zlatan]

What boggles MY mind about the hunts is that everyone that claims to be in it for the "greater good" are just as selfish as any other player that "early pulls". The whole idea behind the hunt is that you hunt it down, not wait in limsa and tele to where your LS tells you to go. Even if you were to do that, and tele immediately, you are going to get there in time and get the kill.

Also, if you actively hunt (regardless of zone or expac) and dont want to share with others, why is that a problem? If its that important to you to get on every S Rank, heres a thought. Hunt them down.

As a side note, what about people that, for their own personal enjoyment, would want to solo or duo the S ranks that they find in ARR and HW zones? Is that person "griefing" because they are doing something they want to do that hurts no one?

[SilverObi]

I still find A and S ranks in older zones that no one bothers killing so I solo them on rdm. Nobody seems to care since all the active hunters are in SB areas. Only once did I have someone fly in and try shouting the location for an A rank but of course nobody else came. And this is on Balmung of all servers. The best way to combat "early" pullers and be involved is to actively hunt down the marks you want unfortunately :/ no amount of righteous crusades will have an effect if you use tactics SE themselves categorizes as griefing.

[Darrcyphfeid]

So is the intent for communities to police themselves when it comes to hunts? Makes me wonder how Japanese servers deal with theirs.

There was a thread about this on Reddit a week ago, actually! It's been editted somewhat following some people intentionally "misunderstanding" the OP's intention, but the gist is the same. TL;DR if you're someone with a blatant disregard for the hunt community they remove you from hunt LSes, blacklist you and add you to the 2ch blacklist if you're a really awful person about it (which has repercussions far beyond hunts).

As a denizen of Faerie where we had a group from a notorious FC (and later, an entire LS) being a bunch of megajerks, I feel for you. Unfortunately hunts are a horrendously ill-conceived dumpster fire, even without early pulling and Square punishing people trying to keep the hunts alive for people to arrive/bully the bullies, and the best thing to do is to just not participate at all.


I'm also in favor of resetting hunts so long as no one has been killed. I've reset hunts against the aforementioned FC/LS, as have several of my friends (one did cop a temp ban once when the FC/LS realized they could just mass report to further their bully agenda - and then went full-on harassment by doing early pulling and then /shouting that said friend had done it to make the whiny people shift their attention), and frankly if Square had banned me I would've taken it as a badge of honor and a clear indication that they didn't deserve my money anyway.

Also, if you actively hunt (regardless of zone or expac) and dont want to share with others, why is that a problem?

I posted this in one of the threads linked on the first page:

If you have 2 or 3 competing groups that do not relay, do not mark on Ariyala/other websites, and do not cooperate or communicate, hunts may as well not even exist. People outside of the 2 or 3 groups will only see A ranks when all groups aren't actively hunting for 2+ hours - not including any people going around soloing whatever A Rank they happen to stumble across during or after - and will very likely not see any ARR or HW S Ranks. Further, these groups will themselves trip one another up by virtue of not knowing which S Ranks were killed by the others, nor when, resulting in tons of wasted time and effort.

If you don't mind working harder, then by all means don't cooperate with the hunt community. But if you're getting any information from the hunt community, and you still want to do your own thing, you don't get to be offended when the hunt community gets tired and forces you out.

As a side note, what about people that, for their own personal enjoyment, would want to solo or duo the S ranks that they find in ARR and HW zones? Is that person "griefing" because they are doing something they want to do that hurts no one?

There are only a few S Ranks you can just randomly stumble across.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Unfortunately hunts are a horrendously ill-conceived dumpster fire, even without early pulling and Square punishing people trying to keep the hunts alive for people to arrive/bully the bullies, and the best thing to do is to just not participate at all.

Im confused as to why it is a ill-conceived dumpster fire. Not being a prick, genuinely curious as to your opinion on the matter.

[Darrcyphfeid]

Im confused as to why it is a ill-conceived dumpster fire. Not being a prick, genuinely curious as to your opinion on the matter.

Generally speaking that was in reference to the XIV community, but I do have issues with the hunts themselves too:

- Hunts are glorified FATEs with no visual indicator that they're up. Which is to say that it's a game of aggro tag with only a handful being anything more than a zergfest, even with the very first Tomestone set of their expansion.

- S Rank spawn conditions are finicky and obtuse. For what they are, and what they give, the amount of time involved in spawning them is ridiculous. I still help spawn S Ranks when I can be bothered to actually be logged into the game long enough - just helped spawn Nunyunuwi two or three days ago - but... it's not good. I kinda really hate it; hate it more when you factor in community shenanigans.

- A Ranks are hit or miss depending on their zone. We have community-created hunting maps to show hot zones for spawn locations, but the concept of "run/fly around the zone to see if this monster is around" loses its appeal pretty quickly.

- I loathe that the only uncapped source of Tomestone upgrade materials is always tied to hunts. I occasionally do Savage content (I haven't cared enough to be in a static since Midas, however), and I suffer through the 24-man for the weekly drop there, but more than half of the upgrades I get always come from hunts. Would be even more if I were still trying to keep both my tanks and DRG geared up (again, haven't bothered since Midas).

[Kazgrel]

Why, years after the content was released, do you still care about S-ranks in old zones? Surely you don't still need the seals/tomes. Killing them isn't fun or interesting. It boggles my mind that anyone finds hunts engaging; I consider them absolute garbage content. Are you just after that mount from that nigh-impossible achievement? Yuck. If so, getting banned is probably healthy for you.

Sometimes as I buzz through old ARR / HW zones, I spy an A rank up and kill it solo; it's like finding a dollar that someone dropped on the ground. I don't shout or notify anyone that I found it. Do people actually care about that? It never occurred to me.

Those old A and S ranks count equally as much as the ones in SB zones towards the mount. ARR hunts are the only way to get mount speed increase for the old zones where there’s no flying. So yeah, there’s a reasonable amount of people who care.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Fair points all around

After reading this I have to question why you even play the game still. Havent bothered, and suffered through are indicators that you dont enjoy the game, so why bother?