Why the hate with endgame fights?

[MoroMurasaki]

If you think the fact that some people who decide they don't want to interact with those who appear to be okay with spreading falsehoods about them are lacking lacking common sense...I'm not sure what to tell you.

The end game community on the one hand seems to get more people into the higher levels of content...by treating reluctant onlookers with basic respect seems to be a stretch they're not willing to take.

You say these things, please back them up. Give me examples. I wouod be more than happy to at least distance myself from anyone who has said anything along the lines of "all players who haven't completed Savage are lazy/stupid/etc." which is the claim you have made but you haven't quoted a single post.

Put your money where your mouth is.

[Jerichai]

I pointed out multiple on the first page...we literally just talked about this as you dismissed it 'as a joke'.

Judging from all the nerf posts that pop all the time, -clears throat-
"Because I want to clear everything with minimal effort and time investment! Paying for a sub means all content shouldn't be just available to me, it should be given to me!"

To be frank? People are entitled and lazy. There's really not much else to it. They don't want to do the work but they want what ever doing the work would earn them.

Some people don't have the capacity or the will to tackle endgame content. yet they still feel they are owed it and attempt to get carried. if they can't they complain.

[MoroMurasaki]

I pointed out multiple on the first page...we literally just talked about this as you dismissed it 'as a joke'.

That. Is. Not. Toxic.

If you are that easily offended I wish you the best luck out there in the real world with people who can yell instead of just type in all caps or use a bold font.

[Jerichai]

That. Is. Not. Toxic.

If you are that easily offended I wish you the best luck out there in the real world with people who can yell instead of just type in all caps or use a bold font.

Hey look....you respond to my recommendation of not making baseless assumptions about people...by making baseless assumptions about me.

[MoroMurasaki]

Hey look....you respond to my recommendation of not making baseless assumptions about people...by making baseless assumptions about me.

How is it an assumption to say "you are offended by the inoffensive thing, the world has a lot worse out there for you" when you have said this thing offends you?

The only thing I'm assuming is that your multiple posts ranting about this one post accurately express your feelings about this post.

Stop trying to weasel out of this. I've made my point, I'm done derailing Kavia's thread. Suck it up and admit you're wrong. Or don't, I'll ignore you either way

[Jerichai]

Snip.

Quote me where I said that I personally was offended by those statements? My comments were to say that people could interpret blanket statements like those negatively, and as a result, be a reason they view the so called end game community as toxic. But please, as you requested on me, show me where I said that I myself was offended by the statements you asked me to quote.

[MoroMurasaki]

Quote me where I said that I personally was offended by those statements? My comments were to say that people could interpret blanket statements like those negatively, and as a result, be a reason they view the so called end game community as toxic. But please, as you requested on me, show me where I said that I myself was offended by the statements you asked me to quote.

This isn't about personal offense, it never was. It started because you said this tread could be a net-negative because it could discourage people from raiding with it's toxic comments. I disagree and think it's a great discussion to have.


When prompted for these toxic comments (several times) you eventually pulled a few perfectly reasonable comments to quote.

Something in your head ticks the 'offensive' box when you read those comments or you wouldn't be trying to use them to defend your original comment. Either your original preposition was built on what you thought was here and you couldn't find anything actually problematic (god I hate that word) or you believe these things to be evidence to your credit.

So which is it? Am I right or was your original post built on a shaky, unsupportable premise?

same

/10char

You exist on a higher echelon.

Your posts are even more savage than the content, usually.

(also same btw but the last post I made was like page 16 so I didn't bother saying anything)

My deepest apologies ;-;

The more I reread things searching for this apparent 'toxicity' the more people I feel like I've missed.

If I could mail you both apology-gil I would <3

Also as I was reading through things again searching for this toxicity I came across a gem of a post from Kavia herself. She was offering to heal with someone through Savage who hadn't done it before. Anyone who read this thread and took note of some of this apparent toxicity had to try to reconcile that bad behavior with a no-strings-atrached offer to help.

How can this thread be anything but positive press for the raiding community in this game?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Quote me where I said that I personally was offended by those statements? My comments were to say that people could interpret blanket statements like those negatively, and as a result, be a reason they view the so called end game community as toxic. But please, as you requested on me, show me where I said that I myself was offended by the statements you asked me to quote.

And? Interpretation is entirely subjective. You have no further basis to argue someone will interpret those quotes as toxic as I say the contrary. At this point, you're now just advocating for safe spaces. Just so we are absolutely clear. In my sole opinion, if you are that easily offended, you shouldn't touch Savage. Why? People aren't going to hold back their opinions because you can't handle criticism.

[VanilleFang]

I pointed out multiple on the first page...we literally just talked about this as you dismissed it 'as a joke'.

I actually am not an end game raider. Never have been.

My point was that people hate end game for that reason from my perspective. I haven't seen any real reason before this thread besides "I don't want to do end game stuff but I want x, that end game stuff would give me. So give me x for less work".