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    Ahh, I see the issue, I mixed the OP up with another poster that was responding frequently since they had similar avatars. Apologies to the OP in that regards.

    That said: you comment that this exchange is a net neutral in terms of impact on community. But let's consider this: Go through almost any of the pages and you'll see people making baseless accusations that those who haven't done endgame content and/or don't want to must be things like lazy, entitled, terrible at the game, etc. It's funny to me that people are also arguing...quite angrily at times...that anyone commenting that they perceive the community as toxic is wrong or that they have ulterior motives.

    Think from the perspective of someone who may not have done endgame comment yet (and potentially a bit anxious about it). It is impossible to see how someone may feel indirectly targeted by such comments might walk away with a perception that, yeah, the endgame community to an extent is kind of toxic?


    Instead of being angry at the people who are stating an opinion, endgame communities (in any MMO) would do a lot better to try and stop trying to find, or even manufacture, the worst in people.
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    Yes, let's not be angry at people who speak of end game fights like they've done it all yet have 0 savage experience. /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by AxlStream View Post
    Yes, let's not be angry at people who speak of end game fights like they've done it all yet have 0 savage experience. /s
    Dude you know that's not who I am referring to. Unless you're just making another one of the numerous baseless assumptions I just referred to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerichai View Post
    Think from the perspective of someone who may not have done endgame comment yet (and potentially a bit anxious about it). It is impossible to see how someone may feel indirectly targeted by such comments might walk away with a perception that, yeah, the endgame community to an extent is kind of toxic?

    Instead of being angry at the people who are stating an opinion, endgame communities (in any MMO) would do a lot better to try and stop trying to find, or even manufacture, the worst in people.
    Are you trying to say say that someone might be discouraged from participating in endgame content because posters in this thread have been criticized for not participating in endgame content?

    Let's call a spade a spade - Rhiya and Bobs haven't participated in Savage content at the same level as Sebazy, Hyomin, Cass and Kavia AND DUAL WHO IS THE BEST have. This makes the opinions on Savage content and how it plays/changes it could use infinately more informed on the side of the debate with the actual raiders.

    If I said "My car is driving funny, think I might need to check the tire pressure" and you said "Nope, it needs an oil change" when you haven't driven my car what makes you entitled to an opinion here? Even more specifically what makes your opinion valid? Nothing. You haven't even been in the car much less driven it.

    There is no down side to pointing out that someone isn't qualified for something. If there are any new players out there this conversation would encourage them to participate in endgame so that their opinions are respected because they're informed instead of just talking out their butts like some people have here.
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    Last edited by MoroMurasaki; 01-26-2018 at 11:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    Sebazy, Hyomin, Cass and Kavia have.
    Not even worth an honorable mention? I'm hurt Moro ;;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Not even worth an honorable mention? I'm hurt Moro ;;
    Oh god! I am the literal worst. I went over this post like 5 times because I knew I was forgetting people.

    If it makes you feel any better my first iteration left out Sebazy so perhaps take it as "She's so good she doesn't even need mentioning" as I assume that's where my brain was.


    Edited for accuracy. <3
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    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    Oh god! I am the literal worst. I went over this post like 5 times because I knew I was forgetting people.

    If it makes you feel any better my first iteration left out Sebazy so perhaps take it as "She's so good she doesn't even need mentioning" as I assume that's where my brain was.
    Seeing the list just made me chuckle out loud, so I had to say something :P I appreciate the compliment either way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Not even worth an honorable mention? I'm hurt Moro ;;
    same

    /10char
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodRat View Post
    same

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    You exist on a higher echelon.

    Your posts are even more savage than the content, usually.

    (also same btw but the last post I made was like page 16 so I didn't bother saying anything)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    Snip.
    Not sure where I referred to the people you mentioned...but okay...

    Go to the first page. The third response is basically "People who don't want to/haven't done end game content are lazy and entitled" and it has been up-voted 25 times and I've seen no one from end game content step in and say "Hey you're kind of making a blanket statement there buddy". And that's not the only response like that in this thread...and it's FAR from the first time these kinds of assumptions about the more casual crowd have been made.

    My comment has nothing to do with critiquing the content itself, I have zero issue with the existence of harder content and in fact happier when MMOs provide a nice sampling across challenge levels. My point is I saw a lot of folks condemn people for stating that they avoid endgame due to the perception of toxicity in that community...while not acknowledging that there are a lot of people in this thread acting in a way some might deem as toxic.
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