Why the hate with endgame fights?

[Selova]

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I don't need to provide any evidence that you don't know what you're talking about, you've already done a splendid job of that. Like linking the video of UCoB and comparing it to a tohou video. You also can't make the claim that endgame isn't challenging, when you clearly aren't doing said challenging endgame.

You keep trying to draw comparisons between FFXIV's endgame and bullet hell games and failing at it, You logic is literally "If you have to move/run to avoid anything it plays exactly like a bullet hell game, I'm honestly kind of baffled how you even think the two games are remotely similiar, If that is your debate tactic then any game in existence where you have to move to avoid something is exactly like a BH game, surely you can see how ridiculous this claim is?


Like i said before, if all endgame is is a glorified bullet hell game and isn't "challenging" then you should have zero issues getting into a group to clear UCoB, Let me know how that works out for you.

[HoodRat]

What's not said here was they did this for RAIDERS, not casuals. That is, the raids and difficulty curve were so bad that even raiders who beat coil couldn't clear the raids in any real percentage. They tried relatively slow balancing attempts, and things like Thordan ex to help give little boosts, but they had to chuck it all out at the end because they made it too hard period. They found out really badly that the way the encounters are make an upper floor to how hard you can make it and not get 1% of the base to complete it.

It's not "make this so casuals can do it." The skill floor was high enough to make everyone struggle in their own niche save for the 1%. And te 1% even kind of burned out on ultimate; it took the same time as the hardest alex raids to down, despite the lower skill floor.

I am now 90% sure everything you say is a lie.

[HyoMinPark]

I am now 90% sure everything you say is a lie.

Knowing Riyah, she is probably referencing her favorite tier (Gordias) to try and prove her point that raids were made easier because Gordias was too hard; and that Gordias was purposely designed to be purposely overtuned; and that raiders couldn’t rise to the challenge. Not that it was a testing mistake on behalf of the developers that they openly acknowledged and apologized for and fixed, or anything.

Or that many raiders have claimed Midas/Brute Justice was their favorite raid tier in terms of fights and balance, or anything.

[HoodRat]

Knowing Riyah, she is probably referencing her favorite tier (Gordias) to try and prove her point that raids were made easier because Gordias was too hard; and that Gordias was purposely designed to be purposely overtuned; and that raiders couldn’t rise to the challenge. Not that it was a testing mistake on behalf of the developers that they openly acknowledged and apologized for and fixed, or anything.

Or that many raiders have claimed Midas/Brute Justice was their favorite raid tier in terms of fights and balance, or anything.

I thought about that but the quote she was responding to specifically mentioned Creator and Omega.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ayer2015]

So....basically, you're pretty much fine with going through the whole game Netflixing while hardly paying attention? Are you the type that dislikes being challenged in optional content? Besides, there's only so much the devs can add every 3-4 months when the casual base just eats through everything in just a few days. Part of that is on the devs for making things easy like that, part of that is on the player base for not going in moderation.

Sure there is... long term goals. Something this game lacks outside relic weapons. Hopefully Eureka comes through and remedies this.
You don't need content with a million mechanics for it to be fun either. That's just what our devs choose to keep churning out.

[Ayer2015]

I don't need a trophy to play in the first place. The past month I've been running shit with friends because I was enjoying myself. Got nothing in game for it worth any value to myself.

[Ayer2015]

I had more fun last night learning how to heal Exdeath (Savage) than I have had in weeks doing "Expert" dungeons. Why? The former required my brain.

That's the issue with anecdotes. Your definition of fun isn't universal. Now I wouldn't take near the amount of umbrage I do if people who didn't want to put forth an effort stayed out of harder content. Instead, they whine everything is too hard and needs nerfs. So now what I enjoy gets watered down because you (generalizing) can't be bothered to do more than press a handful of buttons.

You clearly didn't read the post directly prior to the one you quoted. I at no point call for nerfs to content difficulty. I've been asking for hard 4 man content for a long time. Content should not feel like work however.... games should be fun

[Paladinleeds]

You clearly didn't read the post directly prior to the one you quoted. I at no point call for nerfs to content difficulty. I've been asking for hard 4 man content for a long time. Content should not feel like work however.... games should be fun

Here's the thing, for me, I want to be challenged. I want to be pushed forward. It's why I'm pushing to get back into my static. It's why I want any relationship to be intellectually stimulating for me. For me, I want to be challenged. The idea of being challenged, that is fun to me.

[RiyahArp]

Or that many raiders have claimed Midas/Brute Justice was their favorite raid tier in terms of fights and balance, or anything.

But Midas was just as hard in effect, and didn't reverse the trend. Otherwise we wouldnt have seen creator at all. From what I understand, Midas was different, but replaced one style of difficulty with another. It's hard finding data, but this references the lucky bancho census around the time when people were doing it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._ffxiv_census/

It didn't really reverse the decline, but kept parity with it.

This is actually a pretty good blog from that time, too:

https://fashionninjutsu.com/2016/08/...-some-numbers/

I think people here are forgetting the past a bit. Midas was still too hard in the dev's eyes, and didn't really fix the problem of people not raiding or participating. It didn't really reverse the decline at all, you needed creator for that. They made creator primarily to help raiders; mostly the midcore, which were pretty vocal about how HW had no content for them on places like reddit and how they were stalled at points and unable to progress at all. Casuals in general didn't really raid at all, which is why they made story mode alex...casuals didn't even touch the coils, and missed out on the story.

[Inuk9]

In a way ultimate doesn't count. Because ultimate is designed for the 1% of the 1% basically. by comparison making creator and omega easier and lowering the skill ceiling was done to try and close the skill gap and making raiding more accessible to the masses

What? That doesn't make any sense. So if the content is harder it doesn't count. If the content is easier is to try to make the game more casual. You are clearly contradicting yourself.

If you you are facerolling omega savage just go to ultimate and get a real challange, lul. It doesn't matter if the content is made for 1%, I thought you wanna a challange, a raise on your skill ceiling. Well, you got it, have fun.

I have a feeling no matter the situation you'll never be satisfied.