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  1. #231
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Isn't that like saying that driving a car is a the same as riding a motorbike?
    I think that proves my point even more. The rules of the road are the same just the controls are different.
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  2. #232
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    Deithwen Feainnewedd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobs View Post
    I think that proves my point even more. The rules of the road are the same just the controls are different.
    And yet the "gameplay" is completly different. If the rules are "don't get hit and kill your opponents" I think you can include the vast majority of games in it.
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  3. #233
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobs View Post
    I think that proves my point even more. The rules of the road are the same just the controls are different.
    And yet they really really aren't.

    It's a completely different set of skills and experience.

    Try filtering in a car if you want to put this to the test.
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  4. #234
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Try filtering in a car if you want to put this to the test.
    Technically filtering is illegal in most places. So like someone using a parser I suppose. But that is another topic, ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobs View Post
    snip.
    Using your logic, any encounter where you have to do any kind of moving/dancing to avoid mechanics is the same thing as a bullet hell game, which it's not. Not even close. Also, me telling you that you don't have any idea what you are talking about is not a personal attack, Nice try. Nothing about what i said strengthens any "points" you are trying to make, since that would assume you actually had a point to begin with, which you didn't. Next.
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  6. #236
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
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    I think you are getting a little overly specific.

    My point is the END GAME is just a bunch of running around, and not really challenging. I gave some things that could improve it. I gave some examples of why I think it needs to be improved. I've tried to provide constructive feedback to the OP's original question.

    I'm not really sure what your point is aside from "I don't know what I'm talking about." Which you have not provided any evidence for.
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  7. #237
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobs View Post
    My point is the END GAME is just a bunch of running around, and not really challenging.
    ... Yet you compare it to bullethell. Also please explain why clearrates for savage fights are exponentially lower than other fights if it isn't challenging
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  8. #238
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobs View Post
    I think you are getting a little overly specific.

    My point is the END GAME is just a bunch of running around, and not really challenging. I gave some things that could improve it. I gave some examples of why I think it needs to be improved. I've tried to provide constructive feedback to the OP's original question.

    I'm not really sure what your point is aside from "I don't know what I'm talking about." Which you have not provided any evidence for.
    The fact that you say "My point is the END GAME is just a bunch of running around, and not really challenging" is the evidence that you don't know what you are talking about. And also your lack of experience and willingness to even try this content.
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  9. #239
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deithwen View Post
    The fact that you say "My point is the END GAME is just a bunch of running around, and not really challenging" is the evidence that you don't know what you are talking about. And also your lack of experience and willingness to even try this content.
    You are assuming that I haven't.

    In Os4 you are LITERALLY running around while a giant bullet chases you (call its a black hole if you like)
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    Last edited by Bobs; 01-25-2018 at 07:29 PM.

  10. #240
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobs View Post
    The question was what would i do to introduce challenge. I'm telling you that the game needs to make changes soooo, tanks would not have infinite stun just like healer would not have infinite mp?
    Why does it need changes though? That's you're own personal opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobs View Post
    Maybe it would be to hard for you to need to coordinate with the other dps? The fact is; that you are the ones that don't want challenge. You just want to mindlessly press 1,2,3,4 as fast as you can and see your score (parse) at the end.
    I don't really play DPS so your attempts at insults was a huge miss.
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