Why the hate with endgame fights?

[Selova]

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You're making the assumption that people who put effort into the game and their characters somehow don't have fun. While everyone has their own definition of what constitutes fun, I'm honestly scratching my head of your claim that doing anything at endgame in this game is even remotely similar to work.


You're free to have your idea of "fun" all you want, but if you are doing group content with others, it's no longer about you and how you have your fun, its now about the other 3/7/23 other people you are playing with.


If your idea of fun somehow hinders the group from progress, chances are you will be replaced by someone that doesn't use the guise of "fun" for being unable playing their characters and the game at a acceptable and competent level . End of story.

[Cakekizyy]

Enrage timers are there as gear checks, to punish a lot of mistakes and to make sure you don't cheese the fight with 2 tanks and 6 healers even if you take the entire lockout to clear it. I feel like that would be more lame. Also, enrages have been around since ARR.

And that's why enrage timers need to die in a fire.

[Dualgunner]

And that's why enrage timers need to die in a fire.

Because they're beneficial from a design standpoint? That's an odd thing to say.

[Cakekizyy]

Because they're beneficial from a design standpoint? That's an odd thing to say.

I see it as a negative design wise, to each their own.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Not sure about you, but I play games for fun, not work. I can go out and get paid for work.

I had more fun last night learning how to heal Exdeath (Savage) than I have had in weeks doing "Expert" dungeons. Why? The former required my brain.

That's the issue with anecdotes. Your definition of fun isn't universal. Now I wouldn't take near the amount of umbrage I do if people who didn't want to put forth an effort stayed out of harder content. Instead, they whine everything is too hard and needs nerfs. So now what I enjoy gets watered down because you (generalizing) can't be bothered to do more than press a handful of buttons.

[KaivaC]

I see it as a negative design wise, to each their own.

So how would you change it then? If we have no enrage timers, players can just rez and heal through the fight eternally until players finally kill the boss. Well...at least until they run out of MP, but with a good party comp, that can easily be negated.

[Cakekizyy]

So how would you change it then? If we have no enrage timers, players can just rez and heal through the fight eternally until players finally kill the boss. Well...at least until they run out of MP, but with a good party comp, that can easily be negated.

Exactly how I would have itwork.

[KaivaC]

Exactly how I would have itwork.

And thus negate any challenge whatsoever.

[Miste]

Exactly how I would have itwork.

So...you basically don't want any content that requires the players to actually play properly....

Like I don't even....

95% of the game doesn't require you to play properly already, do you really need the last 5% too? lol

[Sebazy]

Exactly how I would have itwork.

This is pretty much how big MMO bosses used to work if you go back 10-20 years.

I'm not sure if it's rose tinted glasses or you simply don't know any better. But I can promise you first hand that it absolutely didn't make for 'better' bosses. At best, you had encounters that were slow and methodical, but more often you just ended up with painful zergfests where you had to grind a boss down before people gave up or were simply unable to raise fast enough.