Why the hate with endgame fights?

[RiyahArp]

Apparently casual content is too. And the strange thing is, we can beat it--hell, we can run it every single day--and yet it's a mystery that eludes us.

Also fun attempt at poisoning the well. "No responding to someone like her"? Really?

If someone says "I don't take you seriously until you do x" you either ignore them or do x. whats the point of responding to them until you do the latter? They've said their conditions to be taken seriously.

It's one thing that they keep the bar low, for the sake of players with less time to invest, and so as not to alienate "casual" players. However we're 2 expansions in and not only is the bar not raising even a little, it's being LOWERED. That's the issue many players have now. Item levels are the only things going up; challenges generally feel the same, maybe with a different coat of paint, and the slightest modicum of challenge or difficulty is met with sudden culture shock that it's "too hard". Then the demands for nerfs/adjustments start.

They raised the bar with HW, people couldn't handle it. They lowered the bar, and are raising it in a different way via optional ultimate and probably stuff like the tournaments for feast pvp. if you want more optional hard content, ok. Raiders should argue more about that and less about parsers, because that affects only them. if you want the whole game harder, ok, but we're right back at HW then. If your argument is "either adapt or stop playing," like u do with the feast really ok, just own that. i think its dumb, but hey, if you convince most of the players this, well go nuts.

if you don't understand how people might struggle with content you think is easy, well, that makes it a lot harder for you because you wake up and see not many people doing what you think they do. This is what I mean by not understanding casual content; (since im overwhelmed with points to reply to) If you think everyone will rise to the challenge, well...experience is a grim teacher.

[Dualgunner]

If someone says "I don't take you seriously until you do x" you either ignore them or do x. whats the point of responding to them until you do the latter? They've said their conditions to be taken seriously.

Specifically, they called out your claim of defeating Savage not being an achievement:

Im tempted to clear sometimes just to shut up the forum scrubs who think its some kind of achievement.

When you make a claim like that, and say defeating Savage is easy (yes, you did, implicitly, by saying it's not an achievement), people are going to want to see you back that up.

They raised the bar with HW, people couldn't handle it.

They did not raise the bar with Heavensward. They raised it with Gordias, sure, and they even raised it too much; but compare Neverreap and Fractal to original Amdapor Keep: both were significantly easier than the latter.

They lowered the bar, and are raising it in a different way via optional ultimate and probably stuff like the tournaments for feast pvp.

Fair enough: Ultimate is an entirely new mode for the cream of the crop. I'm not a pvper myself, just because it doesn't interest me all that much in any game. I do dabble from time to time. That, however, still leaves me with four to five instances of raid content every other patch.

Raiders should argue more about that and less about parsers, because that affects only them. if you want the whole game harder, ok, but we're right back at HW then.

You mean ARR. When every dungeon would chew you up and spit you out. What was it you said about hating forum culture because they don't know the history of their own game?

if you don't understand how people might struggle with content you think is easy, well, that makes it a lot harder for you because you wake up and see not many people doing what you think they do.

I understand how people struggle with content I think is easy. That's why I'm a firm advocate that ingame tools for improvement, such as a parser, a Hall of the Journeyman, and a slightly more taxing difficulty curve, would be beneficial. The fact the game is so easy is what's led to two other very controversial subjects that are somewhat unique in this game: tank and healer dps. It's so easy to have one's main role covered that the only challenge comes from fitting dps in while accomplishing one's given role.

This is what I mean by not understanding casual content; (since im overwhelmed with points to reply to) If you think everyone will rise to the challenge, well...experience is a grim teacher.

I can understand; you're opinion is the one this topic was meant to interview, and thus you have a lot of attention.

I don't think everyone will rise to the challenge. I also don't think that this would lead to people quitting the game en masse, as you believe they would.

[RiyahArp]

When you make a claim like that, and say defeating Savage is easy (yes, you did, implicitly, by saying it's not an achievement), people are going to want to see you back that up.

I never said it was easy, i said it wasn't an achievement. That is I don't value people who beat it any more highly than others. and yeah, ill back it up. But then I don't value people who make me run through hoops much either.

[Dualgunner]

I never said it was easy, i said it wasn't an achievement. That is I don't value people who beat it any more highly than others. and yeah, ill back it up. But then I don't value people who make me run through hoops much either.

In what you quoted, I specifically stated why saying "it's not an achievement" is saying it's easy. Whether or not you value an achievement or the people who achieve it is one thing: I don't value the Oscars, or the Olympics, but both are still achievements. I cannot say receiving a Golden Globe is not an achievement, because I know it is a road not everybody can travel.