Why the hate with endgame fights?

[Nedkel]

Because some dungeons and activities are not balanced like at all and you could even find dungeons on low lvls that are hard to do and understand like the vault, the aery or the keeper of the lake (i swear to god that one).
The inconsistency in balance infuriates me as a tank (especially certain high lvl useful abilities locked, which you know they would be usefull there and here but you cant use it ending up performing badly), so the longer you go the longer it makes you thinking the next dungeon you will join is going to be somewhat "special" in killing and wiping your team for the reason you dont know yet.

The instant dead mechanics are lazy and idiotic, thats not making it difficult for the players who know how to make it, but makes it impossible to do for the ones who do it for the first time, and here is the place where the hate is. Are there really no other ways to do activities more interesting and diverse than dropping here and there field mines, which kills everybody flat in instant?
Terrible design.

[KaldeaSahaline]

The hate has always been there.It came back in ARR when people who took raiding too seriously in other games migrated to FF14 and tried to dictate their ways on the entire FF community.

Back with Titan HM you had constant rages and people flaming each other.

Humor me, is it just as possible that maybe Titan HM was the first piece of content in the game that required a modicum of reflexes/skill and as such caused a divide between skilled/unskilled players? Something completely independent of "playerbase migration woes" as it were.

Warriors got so much hate at this time too. It was basically pld or gfto.

So to be clear, you are assuming that WARs got hate back in early ARR because players who "take games too seriously" migrated into FF14 from other games? Not for ANY other reason? None at all?

Thornmarch extreme was also very toxic.As was Steps of Faith.List goes on and on.

Explain to me why you believe SoF and Thornmarch EX were "very toxic". Would you agree that my analysis of Titan HM could be copy pasted to here and still be applicable?

The instant dead mechanics are lazy and idiotic, thats not making it difficult for the players who know how to make it, but makes it impossible to do for the ones who do it for the first time, and here is the place where the hate is placed at. Are there really no other ways to do activities more interesting and diverse than dropping here and there field mines, which kills everybody flat in instant?
Terrible design.

I'm a fairly skilled player. I still died to Hashmal my first time. A pillar fell and landed on me instantly killing me. It was day 1 and it was a fresh run for nearly everyone.

I was expecting telegraphs and did not get one. When I died to it, instead of whining or alt-tabbing or watching netflix, I took 20s to realize how/why I died. I have never been hit by one again. If I was to make a bet, 50%+ of the lower skilled playerbase would not ask a question if they did not understand the mechanic that killed them, nor would they place any effort into realizing why they died.

Now that said, the alternative would be a pillar simply does x% of HP damage. That would mean that people would ignore it and just assume healers will cover it, and because there are nearly no consequences for failing the mechanic, the lowerskilled playerbase would not analyze nor learn the mechanic.

IMO.

[Deceptus]

Humor me, is it just as possible that maybe Titan HM was the first piece of content in the game that required a modicum of reflexes/skill and as such caused a divide between skilled/unskilled players? Something completely independent of "playerbase migration woes" as it were.

Titan HM's biggest issue was latency.

that's the funniest one. I'm not an endgame tank by a long shot and I was able to tank 99 runs over a week with only PUGs. it was pretty fun as a mid-skill tank but it was not punishing AT ALL for any mistakes..

Until one of the DPS (or OT) isn't watching their aggro and gets a death cone on the entire raid. Seen it more than once.

[Metalwrath]

Titan HM's biggest issue was latency.



Until one of the DPS (or OT) isn't watching their aggro and gets a death cone on the entire raid. Seen it more than once.

A lot of people tried to blame latency on Landslide but i dont think it was ever proved to be true.There was plenty of people complaining about peoples gear and dps on heart phase and there was many who also blamed warriors if they were tanking for their classes survivability.

[Sorciechan]

A lot of people tried to blame latency on Landslide but i dont think it was ever proved to be true.There was plenty of people complaining about peoples gear and dps on heart phase and there was many who also blamed warriors if they were tanking for their classes survivability.

Erm, lol no one just admitted that they were dying too much to the landslides (or, to a lesser extent, the earth pools)?

[Sigiria]

A lot of people tried to blame latency on Landslide but i dont think it was ever proved to be true.There was plenty of people complaining about peoples gear and dps on heart phase and there was many who also blamed warriors if they were tanking for their classes survivability.

There was a latency issue in the game when it started. There still is actually, Exdeath's White Hole petrifying half of the party because everyone wasn't full life more than 3 seconds before the end of the cast come to mind.
But thanks to the heavy choreographed nature of the fights you just learn to cope with it and react preemptively.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Until one of the DPS (or OT) isn't watching their aggro and gets a death cone on the entire raid. Seen it more than once.

now if it was an cone that did x% more damage per person its hitting and always wiped the party, it would be a REAL ex primal.

edit: what was worse imo were the Main tanks that didn't use their aggro combo, leaving just me, the Off tank, and a BLM with hairs width of aggro between us and the boss. Fun times.