Why the hate with endgame fights?

[Okamimaru]

Lakshmi ex, susano ex, and shinryu ex, all have their own gimmicks... lakshmi is about using vril to reduce damage/effects, susano is your classic spread and stack, and shinryu is like thordan ex (throw all the stuff at you).... comparing them is like apples oranges and grapes.... compare them only to their base fights... maybe we need a nm/hm/ex trials again...

[Ayer2015]

I haven't come across people complaining about Savage/EX content existing in the game. That said, FF14 was always considered to be a super casual MMO, and has a much larger player base which fits that definition. All of the non-standard content which has been implemented so far (Ultimate, Rival Wings), in addition to no 4.1 relic having been added, has really left a void in content for casual players. We were promised more content with fewer dungeons being made during 4.x, yet that content is geared toward very specific, and small, segments of the community.

[Bobs]

Rage timers are fairly lame. Especially in Omega Savage, it's around 10 min.

As soon as that rage timer is hit the blaming starts up. People start throwing in parse results and people drop out or are kicked. It becomes a hate mess real fast. All because the game decided to get board with you.

It's arbitrary and is most likely what has lead to all the hate in SB.

[KaivaC]

Rage timers are fairly lame. Especially in Omega Savage, it's around 10 min.

As soon as that rage timer is hit the blaming starts up. People start throwing in parse results and people drop out or are kicked. It becomes a hate mess real fast. All because the game decided to get board with you.

It's arbitrary and is most likely what has lead to all the hate in SB.

I call BS on that. You actually need enrage because you're not supposed to take ages killing a boss...if all trials didn't have an enrage, everybody would have a clear on these fights because all healers have to do is just rez everyone. Besides, if I recall, you'll get close to enrage timer almost every time with Shinryu Ex. The end of the fight is literally a huge DPS check.

[ChaoticCrimson]

I call BS on that. You actually need enrage because you're not supposed to take ages killing a boss...if all trials didn't have an enrage, everybody would have a clear on these fights because all healers have to do is just rez everyone. Besides, if I recall, you'll get close to enrage timer almost every time with Shinryu Ex. The end of the fight is literally a huge DPS check.

I'd also like to add that enrage is actually pretty useful for progression. If you can survive until enrage, you know you've seen all the boss's mechanics. From there you and your party know what to expect, and can begin making adjustments to improve from there. It's all part of the challenge and learning how to get better.

[Vaer]

Rage timers are fairly lame. Especially in Omega Savage, it's around 10 min.

As soon as that rage timer is hit the blaming starts up. People start throwing in parse results and people drop out or are kicked. It becomes a hate mess real fast. All because the game decided to get board with you.

It's arbitrary and is most likely what has lead to all the hate in SB.

Enrage timers are there as gear checks, to punish a lot of mistakes and to make sure you don't cheese the fight with 2 tanks and 6 healers even if you take the entire lockout to clear it. I feel like that would be more lame. Also, enrages have been around since ARR.

[Cakekizyy]

Enrage timers are there as gear checks, to punish a lot of mistakes and to make sure you don't cheese the fight with 2 tanks and 6 healers even if you take the entire lockout to clear it. I feel like that would be more lame. Also, enrages have been around since ARR.

And that's why enrage timers need to die in a fire.

[Dualgunner]

And that's why enrage timers need to die in a fire.

Because they're beneficial from a design standpoint? That's an odd thing to say.

[Cakekizyy]

Because they're beneficial from a design standpoint? That's an odd thing to say.

I see it as a negative design wise, to each their own.

[Selova]

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You're making the assumption that people who put effort into the game and their characters somehow don't have fun. While everyone has their own definition of what constitutes fun, I'm honestly scratching my head of your claim that doing anything at endgame in this game is even remotely similar to work.


You're free to have your idea of "fun" all you want, but if you are doing group content with others, it's no longer about you and how you have your fun, its now about the other 3/7/23 other people you are playing with.


If your idea of fun somehow hinders the group from progress, chances are you will be replaced by someone that doesn't use the guise of "fun" for being unable playing their characters and the game at a acceptable and competent level . End of story.