Request for clarification from the GM team

[Risvertasashi]

Are Party Finder entries like this considered sufficient evidence to report for RMT activity?

[Elamys]

I'm obviously no GM but I'm not sure it could be as it doesn't mention if it's being sold for gil or if it's being sold for real money. as far as I'm aware, there's not anything in the ToS preventing someone from asking you to pay x amount of gil for a raid clear.

[Risvertasashi]

I'm obviously no GM but I'm not sure it could be as it doesn't mention if it's being sold for gil or if it's being sold for real money. as far as I'm aware, there's not anything in the ToS preventing someone from asking you to pay x amount of gil for a raid clear.

Gil cannot be transferred across servers.

But, yeah, they're smart enough to not give real money prices in game, and we already know GM policy is to not accept evidence that is not within the game. That's why I'd like official clarification.

[NephthysVasudan]

Gil cannot be transferred across servers.

But, yeah, they're smart enough to not give real money prices in game, and we already know GM policy is to not accept evidence that is not within the game. That's why I'd like official clarification.

Especially when they demand discord only communication.

[Hasrat]

Of course it isn't. If you have to interpret or assume money is changing hands, it's not exactly hard evidence.

[Hestzhyen]

I wish it was but since GMs (and by extension SE) can get some seriously bad PR from banning players without basically catching them red-handed, I don't think it counts. I mean if you're making a cross-world PF to advertise and demand the deal (and price disclosure) to be made through a 3rd party service that's very damning circumstantial evidence. But they need actual proof to ban.

[DrWho2010]

no that's not enough evidence. selling content for gil is not a violation of ToS. if they are selling content for real world money you'd need way more evidence and it would have been from in game evidence. anything happening in discord and the like cannot be used for proof.

[Hestzhyen]

no that's not enough evidence. selling content for gil is not a violation of ToS.

Cross-server advertisements without price disclosures in them USUALLY aren't looking for payment in gil. But you can't tell if it's actually against ToS or someone just not knowing how things work. Which is why they can't really be acted on by GMs.

[Risvertasashi]

The poster above has it right. I'm sure the GMs can look into that player's actions in-game and take note of any odd cross-server join ups following that post. If that person is playing it safe enough, there may not be enough incriminating evidence, but you never know. If you feel their actions are a little too suspicious, it's not a bad idea to report. If action is taken, they wouldn't be able to tell you anyway.

The problem is how many there are. Reporting them all would be rather spammy, and I don't want to waste my time any more than the GMs would want to waste theirs.

real money or gil. it dosent matter. this pay us out and sit in the corner runs should be banned. its a sneak around the no bonus groups. they show up after a buyed clear and have no clue how the fight works.

A lot of the time it isn't sit in the corner. You give them your login info, they play for you. Which itself is most definitely a TOS violation, but pragmatically impossible to prove.

no that's not enough evidence. selling content for gil is not a violation of ToS. if they are selling content for real world money you'd need way more evidence and it would have been from in game evidence. anything happening in discord and the like cannot be used for proof.

You have added absolutely nothing new nor of value to this topic. We know everything you have already said, but only GMs can say if it is sufficient to report and thus start an investigation, or not.

If runs are being sold cross server, there is absolutely no in game way to pay for it. But whether that basis is enough, that is the question. But not a question for you.

[Sakuraluna]

The problem is how many there are. Reporting them all would be rather spammy, and I don't want to waste my time any more than the GMs would want to waste theirs.

You asked if one example was a reportable offense. I answered that if the PF you posted looks fishy enough to you, the GMs can see deeper into it than we can, so there's no harm in reporting and letting them take care of it if they find more evidence on their end. Pretty sure neither one of us has an interest in policing the entire data center. If you don't care to report it then ignore it. If you do, then go ahead and report, but if it's the trend that's the issue, then reporting one person is only a drop in the bucket anyway tbh.

(Hope I didn't sound too harsh here or anything. :0 )

real money or gil. it dosent matter. this pay us out and sit in the corner runs should be banned. its a sneak around the no bonus groups. they show up after a buyed clear and have no clue how the fight works.

Honestly, the sellers might be part of the problem, but they aren't exactly at the root of that problem. Those buyers would find their way into farm groups whether or not there's anyone around for them to pay. Accepting Gil for a service shouldn't be a bannable offense, otherwise it'd be a reportable offense to pay a crafter to make you a new glam or housing item. Accepting RL money for an in-game service, on the other hand, is blatant RMT.