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    Player
    Ticon's Avatar
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    Neo San
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    Twintania
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    Bard Lv 84
    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    Lyse and Minfillia, and for nearly the exact same reasons to be perfectly frank. They're both written to be 'strong' or at least the narrative is written in such a way that makes it clear that's how the writers want us to perceive them; and yet they're both anything but. Minfillia at the very least is acknowledged as 'waifu' bait and shunted off screen as of this current patch cycle, but Lyse has all the hallmarks of a strong character while constantly being undermined. They both come off as cognitively dissonant characters. Minfillia supposedly the most useful of the Scions who still doesn't know what a linkpearl is bloody used for; and Lyse who literally has all her character defining moments legitimately stolen or retracted for the sake of the plot. I cannot stand characters who regress in intelligence or worth simply because the plot demands it, and they both are constant offenders of this in spite of the story /never/ acknowledging it.

    Lyse especially is a dual offender in this regard. Her story arc during the Steppes was interesting and you could see the beginnings of growth slowly taking root, and yet all of it was retracted the second we shifted focus back to Ala Mhigo. Suddenly she was the leader of the Resistance for little more reason than she /had/ no reason, aside from plot convenience; and yet not two missions later she was regulated back to a common foot soldier once the invasion took place. Thancred, Raubahn, and even /Pippin/ and /HIEN/ were more pivotal to the reclamation of Ala Mhigo than she was. Hell she was taking orders /FROM/ Raubahn instead of collaborating with him like an equal. It just left one hella bad taste in my mouth when after Shinryu was beaten she strutted around like she was hot shit when she literally did /nothing/; just followed the Warrior of Light around like a lost puppy.

    I also quite hate the fact that I've encountered no small amount of backlash for pointing these things out either. I've been called misogynistic for not worshiping the ground either of them walk upon and it's done little to help my hatred. I love strong characters and can even appreciate weak ones, but I /cannot/ stand characters who I'm told are strong but the writing makes them anything but regardless of their gender.
    Cant take opinioins like these seriously coming from a person who plays a lalafel and use words like "cognetive dissonance", the double moral here is just... The reality is that most if not all lalafells apart from pipin are simply out of place characters with their missmatched voice acting and over exaggerated silly theatrics in an Epic tale like this. While individuals like Lyse and Minfilia are perfectly synced with the dramatic atmosphere of the game playing huge rolls in the main plot i cant help to wonder if you are just jealous of the characters on a personal level.

    Also, Whats with the "/" brackets? Cant you just write normally
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    Arya Diavolos
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    Imagine digging up a 4 year old post to pick a fight with a midget. Must be boring af where you're at right now.
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    Momotaro Popotaro
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    Trahear.. erm I meant Alphinaud.
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    Lulumia Lumia
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    Can I go with 'noone'?

    I'mma go with none.

    Maybe, Minfillia, I think she's lame. But 'truly hate with passion'? Sheesh.
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    Viglundur Krummason
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicKirby View Post
    Can I go with 'no one'?

    I'mma go with none.
    Same here.
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    Felicia Meracle
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicKirby View Post
    Can I go with 'noone'?

    I'mma go with none.

    Maybe, Minfillia, I think she's lame. But 'truly hate with passion'? Sheesh.
    Same here, minus the mention of Minfillia in there. In fact, I'm resisting the urge to vent about how Minfillia gets WAAAAYYYY too much flack then she actually deserves here, along with how Lyse seems to be the most recent example of a character getting more flack then she actually deserves. Alphinaud too apparently. But I already know full well what would happen if I dare to try and defend them. And besides, the thread is about stating what characters we don't like anyway. So imma just let it all slide here in this thread.

    While I don't "truly hate with passion' for any of the characters, there are those that I dislike, just like any other piece of fictional work. (In my eyes, every story needs some characters that you end up disliking/hating during the events of said stories. You wouldn't have much of a story otherwise, IMO) The following characters I'm about to list are the only ones that came truly close to me wanting to smash their faces in:

    1: Basically the entire Garlean Empire. But more specifically... Gaius, Livia, and Zenos. Interestingly, the empire in FFXV actually succeeds in making the empire here in FFXIV look peaceful by comparison. But it's still no excuse for what the empire does here in this game.

    2: Pawah Mujuuk from the Archer quest line. Arguably the ONLY cat girl character so far I've seen in all pieces of fictional work I've seen that I wanted to strangle to death instead of help. As I may sometimes even say to my friends via party and FC chat while I'm off killing said poacher Miqo'te in the Shroud... "They're an embarrassment to my own kind!" She more or less meets her end though.

    3: The Ascians. Do I need to explain why?

    4: Yotsuyu. I think it's clear why people hate her, given the things she does. Depending on where things go for her in the future patches though, she may or may not get removed from my list. Her fate remains to be seen.

    5: Laurentius. That constant back-stabber had it coming.

    6: Illberd. For being a fanatic traitor who got a lot of his people slaughtered and for bringing about a primal. Bonus points on the fact that he took one of Raubahns arms.

    7: Emmanellain. (Mouthful of a name. Had to look up how to spell it correctly, lol) The one rare example of a character on our side. Thancred thankfully already did what I felt needed to be done though. And it seems to have sit with him too, if the ending of Heavensward is anything to go by. He aims to become a better person at the end of it all.
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    Cynric Zerr
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    Alphi-oh-no-not-him-again Leveilleur

    Literally skip all his voiced dialog and barely read anything he says.
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    Sophia Ladislava
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    Twintania
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    Minfilia, god I hate Minfilia.
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    "You have a heart of gold. Don't let them take it from you!"

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    Emma'von Katzenstreu
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    Omega
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    khloe aliapoh.

    i want to hit her every week with her book.
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    Aivi Kupo
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Alphinaud. I despise him. I really thought the Crystal Braves had killed him, and was pretty happy about it, but then he showed up again :<
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