An NPC you truly hate with passion

[RiyahArp]

It's not Fordola as a character that is bad, it's that the evil women get to live and be redeemed possibly, while the evil men all die. Grynewaht lost his humanity and was turned into something awful at the hands of another, and even he paled a bit at Yotsuyu's savagery. Nidhogg as a villain was a lot more tragic than either, considering how fresh the betrayal was in his mind due to his long lifespan, and we forget even the good dragons originally turned a blind eye to him. Even Thordan had much more of a rationale for what he did at first. They pretty much all died with no real redemption. Even the shield guy at the level 49 trial seems to have died (I think he is in POTD).

I mean, the evil women that I do know died only did so because they were literally faceless, like Junia and the female ascian. Or they are eikons/primals. The good women die a lot more, and suffer more equally.

[Belhi]

And this is why I like Fordola's character (no I don't condone her actions). Hers is the most believable. Hers is the most tragic. From a very early age she had to figure out the best way to survive in the occupation -- and though her choices weren't the best, in her mind she was fighting for her place in the world.

Which is kind of the same with Yotsuyu...except they went the cheap route with her and convinently wiped her memory...unless she is faking it. I want her to be faking it, because it shows who two oppressed women deal with the lot they've given in life: Fordola, fighting for her freedom by oppressing her own people, Yotsuyu, revenge on all the world until the bitter end.

I think Yotsuyu had a brake down and regressed mentally to what she was like as a child before she was sold into a marriage. In all the trailers she is very childlike in how she talks. She always came across to me as someone who was very emotionally brittle. I don't see her having the same redemption arc. I think Yotsuyu's story is one that is going to be more of a tragedy. If she survives, maybe her cousin will take custody of her.

As for character's I hate, I don't know if there is any I outright hate. I don't like Lolorito and have contempt for the two lackies of 'the Griffon'.

It's not Fordola as a character that is bad, it's that the evil women get to live and be redeemed possibly, while the evil men all die. Grynewaht lost his humanity and was turned into something awful at the hands of another, and even he paled a bit at Yotsuyu's savagery. Nidhogg as a villain was a lot more tragic than either, considering how fresh the betrayal was in his mind due to his long lifespan, and we forget even the good dragons originally turned a blind eye to him. Even Thordan had much more of a rationale for what he did at first. They pretty much all died with no real redemption. Even the shield guy at the level 49 trial seems to have died (I think he is in POTD).

I mean, the evil women that I do know died only did so because they were literally faceless, like Junia and the female ascian. Or they are eikons/primals. The good women die a lot more, and suffer more equally.

Not entirely true. Nero is still alive and kicking and I would argue on a redemption arc in a way (redemption might be too strong a word). Lolorito kind of is too though I still want to punch him in the face. For the MSQ there have been more male villians die, true, but there have been more male villains. We see quite a few female villians in sidequests and such.

[Driven]

I hate to admit it, since 1.0, he was my absolute favorite and NPC... Poor Thancred... you were the best, and then you went missing. When we found you again I was so overjoyed. But when you came back, something was different. At first I thought you just had to re-adjust, but it’s just not the same. It’s like you never came back. I miss the man you were.

[Maero]

Cannot really think of any so i guess i will go with the Vanu Tribe Npc's only because i hated doing the quests and that horrid dance

[fantasticm]

Lyse.

The only redeeming thing about her is her fanbase, who become hilariously assblasted every time someone points out how poorly she was written and that she accomplished nothing throughout the entirety of Stormblood. I think they secretly know, but don't want to admit it. It's okay guys, I've been taken in by characters based solely on their character design too! That red dress is really nice, after all.

[Lauront]

I should add that girl from the MCH quest. I can't stand her or that quest series in general.

Cid is another I don't like.

Not keen on Raubahn. I liked Ilberd much better.

All pale before the cringe that is Lyse, though.

It's not Fordola as a character that is bad, it's that the evil women get to live and be redeemed possibly, while the evil men all die. Grynewaht lost his humanity and was turned into something awful at the hands of another, and even he paled a bit at Yotsuyu's savagery. Nidhogg as a villain was a lot more tragic than either, considering how fresh the betrayal was in his mind due to his long lifespan, and we forget even the good dragons originally turned a blind eye to him. Even Thordan had much more of a rationale for what he did at first. They pretty much all died with no real redemption. Even the shield guy at the level 49 trial seems to have died (I think he is in POTD).

I mean, the evil women that I do know died only did so because they were literally faceless, like Junia and the female ascian. Or they are eikons/primals. The good women die a lot more, and suffer more equally.

It's debatable how many "evil" characters truly are such. Ascians, sure, due to their very being, and Nidhogg had become so blinded by revenge that you could argue that he was. Same with Yotsuyu. Thordan is more ambiguous, IMO, as he was doing what he saw best given the hand he was dealt by his ancestors. I agree with your larger point, though.

[ValarianHeartbreaker]

Haurchefant

*ducks*

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Lyse.

The only redeeming thing about her is her fanbase, who become hilariously assblasted every time someone points out how poorly she was written and that she accomplished nothing throughout the entirety of Stormblood. I think they secretly know, but don't want to admit it. It's okay guys, I've been taken in by characters based solely on their character design too! That red dress is really nice, after all.

You mean she didn't learn the hard way that she can't just storm into a homeland she can barely claim, talking about freedom as a rallying cry and people would jump to her side? Or that her world view was rather narrow? Or that pure aggression wasn't going to get the job done? Or that poor planning gets people killed? OR that "freedom for Ala Mihgo" would have to include the beast tribes? OR that liberating Ala Mihgo didn't just end on a "happily ever after"?

I mean, I probably like every other Scion/former Scion more than her, but I saw things quite differently. Certainly more than it seems others did.

Thordan is more ambiguous, IMO, as he was doing what he saw best given the hand he was dealt by his ancestors.

I dunno man, Thordan was willing to keep his people believing in a thousand year lie to fuel a war they were barely maintaining (not winning, but not losing), work with Ascians, support and sponsor primal summoning/transformation within his own personal guard, and ultimately become one himself to enforce peace through fear. . . Sure, peace may have been the ultimate goal, but his list of sins runs long.

[M0rty]

I know he was a hate sink but Inquisitor Guillaime is on the list. From his smug attitude to the fact that he tried to undermine the WoL and company but what it gets to me is he doing the thing I hate the most: Gloating when defeated. I absolutely hate when villains don't want to admit defeat and waste their last breath saying stuff like "my death was just the beginning" or "you may have defeated me but you will die afterwards".

[Lauront]

I dunno man, Thordan was willing to keep his people believing in a thousand year lie to fuel a war they were barely maintaining (not winning, but not losing), work with Ascians, support and sponsor primal summoning/transformation within his own personal guard, and ultimately become one himself to enforce peace through fear. . . Sure, peace may have been the ultimate goal, but his list of sins runs long.

He did all that but he never really wanted to work with Lahabrea so much as use him until he outlived his utility to him. I think he helped perpetuate the lie because he did not want to crush popular morale at a pivotal time in facing the dragon horde.

Bear in mind he did not have the luxury of having the WoL at his beck and call, and up to that point Nidhogg was uncompromising and even his less murderous brethren, like Hraesvelgr, did not ultimately see him as in the wrong, mostly because dragons operate on a much longer timespan than mortals and appear to struggle to see how a mortal might not see themselves as responsible for their ancestors errors. Ysayle tried a different approach but she was cast away by the dragons. So it's difficult to say he was evil, although obviously becoming a Primal brings with it great risks. You could say the same of Ysayle in many ways, seeing as many died in her name, for what was ultimately a dream, and becoming a Primal bore all the usual problems being one does, e.g. an aetheric drain on the land. They had differing methods of resolving the conflict. Anyway, I don't wish to derail this thread further, but just to make the point that he isn't obviously evil in the way some of the enemies in the game are.