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    Quote Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon View Post
    Machinist has been one of the strongest classes for raidwide DPS since it was introduced into the game in 3.0. I find it very hard to have sympathy for a class that has deservedly been nerfed when that class has been overpowered for so long during raid patches.

    Now SE should do something about Bard, Dragoon and Ninja.
    Just an FYI, NIN has always been stronger then MCH since release. Have you ever tried playing MCH 3.0? God it was worthless. And it's not the job or the player base that is to blame for this. It's SE that is the blame. It's still retarded that both the support dps combined can do more raid damage then double caster could do...

    Ow and MCH wasnt part of the meta in 4.0 because of how shit and worthless the job was and right now it's replaceable with a SMN. 4.2 is gonna make it so MCH is gonna be locked out like how BLM is being treated right now. I can go sit my main down next to the SAMs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon View Post
    Machinist has been one of the strongest classes for raidwide DPS since it was introduced into the game in 3.0.
    Agree with you but lost many things on next updates cause ppl are never happy about things. Ppl prefer to complain about others job instead of asking better adjustment for their own jobs.
    That's it!
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    I can't help but wonder where SE gets their numbers to think MCH needed a nerf, but not BRD.

    I also could've swore that they said MCH was going to be getting boosted personal DPS to compensate for the hypercharge nerf, but there isn't anything in the finalized patch notes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I also could've swore that they said MCH was going to be getting boosted personal DPS to compensate for the hypercharge nerf, but there isn't anything in the finalized patch notes.
    Fan-made mistranslation.

    To be honest, that 1% Hypercharge buff with Patch 4.15 was never the right move. It just make MCH even more META. It would be better to slightly increase the potency of only one skill, but thats only my opinion. I guess SE knew they messed up and fixed it again.

    I kinda believe that the new gear and its higher stats will scale much higher for MCH than any other classes. Thats why SE nerfed Hypercharge to pretend making MCH too strong like it was at the end of Heavensward. Maybe its just a personal feeling but MCH was kinda weak at the beginning of v1.0 and getting very strong until 4.2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I can't help but wonder where SE gets their numbers to think MCH needed a nerf, but not BRD.

    I also could've swore that they said MCH was going to be getting boosted personal DPS to compensate for the hypercharge nerf, but there isn't anything in the finalized patch notes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlyn View Post
    Fan-made mistranslation.

    To be honest, that 1% Hypercharge buff with Patch 4.15 was never the right move. It just make MCH even more META. It would be better to slightly increase the potency of only one skill, but thats only my opinion. I guess SE knew they messed up and fixed it again.

    I kinda believe that the new gear and its higher stats will scale much higher for MCH than any other classes. Thats why SE nerfed Hypercharge to pretend making MCH too strong like it was at the end of Heavensward. Maybe its just a personal feeling but MCH was kinda weak at the beginning of v1.0 and getting very strong until 4.2.
    MCH did not get nerfed. The reason why they lowered Hypercharge back to 5% is because they also fixed a bug affecting turret delay that has been present since the start of SB. This essentially increases turret damage by roughly 20-25% and totally covers the 1% HC nerf. MCH will remain as strong as before, but some of its raid damage contribution will move to personal dps instead.

    The line you're looking for under Resolved issues is the following:
    -An issue wherein the machinist’s Rook Autoturret and Bishop Autoturret would not attack at equal intervals.

    My original bug report.
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    Last edited by Kitfox; 01-29-2018 at 09:01 PM.

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    I have a hard time imagining that BRD isn't going end up significantly stronger then MCH towards the end of SB without some kind of nerf as they're effectively double dipping on crit scaling because of getting extra Repertoire procs on from it.
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    Anyway still thinking that gauge bar it takes too long to reload after overheat. 20sec can be reduced at 10sec. We are just loosing 20sec of good DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlvinOwl View Post
    Anyway still thinking that gauge bar it takes too long to reload after overheat. 20sec can be reduced at 10sec. We are just loosing 20sec of good DPS.
    10. You lose 10.

    You use Barrel Stabilizer to go from 0 to 50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    10. You lose 10.

    You use Barrel Stabilizer to go from 0 to 50.
    Meaning that the recovery time after overheating must be reduced from 20sec (10+10) with 10sec (5+5).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlvinOwl View Post
    Meaning that the recovery time after overheating must be reduced from 20sec (10+10) with 10sec (5+5).
    Recovery from overheating is 10 seconds. As soon as overheat ends, you pop Gauss Barrel and Barrel Stabilizer together, putting you back at 50.
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