Adressing the roots of the housing problem

[Youkulm]

The one per person/account is nice but they also need to do the right thing and retroactively apply that to people that own more than one house on a single account. With a full refund of course, but they should still be taken away. The fact that there aren’t enough houses is still a thing yes, but unless they take them away from people that were in before the limit (which should have been there since day one I might add as a pointed admonishment to the devs) it’s a hollow gesture.

this 100%

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[Khalithar]

Absolutely not. If someone has several houses they bought when a server was small, have built them up with things like shirogane walls, expensive chandeliers and mogstation interior walls, how is SE going to pick which house stays, and reimburses them for the ingame and mogstation purchases? Not going to happen.

Let them select the house they want to keep and return all items to the npc that lets you get furniture back when your house is reclaimed for the house they (SHOULD) lose.

[Youkulm]

Absolutely not. If someone has several houses they bought when a server was small, have built them up with things like shirogane walls, expensive chandeliers and mogstation interior walls, how is SE going to pick which house stays, and reimburses them for the ingame and mogstation purchases? Not going to happen.

Greedy.

SE doesn't have to pick you should have to pick. You don't wanna pick? Then SE should randomly select one for you to keep.

This game is not built around having alts. Never has been. Likely never will be. ( Don't get me wrong, I have alts, but i'm not selfish enough to run around collecting houses like some kind of giant squirrel. My alts are in the same FC as my main and thus all have the ability to use the same house. )

I for one hope they pull the rug out from under house hoarders eventually.

Edit: Also let me add, if you do have alts, yes they should all be able to use the personal house of your main character. This is something people have been asking for since personal housing came out.

[Darrcyphfeid]

Let them select the house they want to keep and return all items to the npc that lets you get furniture back when your house is reclaimed for the house they (SHOULD) lose.

There wouldn't be enough inventory available for those people. It's not going to happen - see here.


You guys are prematurely celebrating and getting excited about the wrong things. Again: If you do not have a house before 4.2, you are not getting anything more than table scraps. All FCs and anyone with a personal house (including alts) can relocate 1 hour after servers go live on Feb 6th. People that do not have a house already will have to wait until some undisclosed time beyond that, which may entail camping the placard for an entire day like we did Christmas day 2015. And still not getting anything.

[Khalithar]

There wouldn't be enough inventory available for those people. It's not going to happen - see here..

Clearly you’re missing my point. My point isn’t that it is happening, it’s that it should happen. My fc already has a house, this doesn’t effect me at all and I have no horse in this race. But I am sympathetic to the people that don’t and believe the one house rule should be retroactively applied as well. As far as them not having the space or being unable to hold all their reclaimed items, too bad?

[Krotoan]

All wards. The changes are basically applied when interacting with the placards to purchase plots, they don't set separate rules per ward.

merely for clarification and planning... where was this detailed?

There wouldn't be enough inventory available for those people. It's not going to happen - see here.


You guys are prematurely celebrating and getting excited about the wrong things. Again: If you do not have a house before 4.2, you are not getting anything more than table scraps. All FCs and anyone with a personal house (including alts) can relocate 1 hour after servers go live on Feb 6th. People that do not have a house already will have to wait until some undisclosed time beyond that, which may entail camping the placard for an entire day like we did Christmas day 2015. And still not getting anything.

So you're saying this is worse because instead of a system where people can most definitely take advantage of it and sit on houses till people cough up enough that they want one.. you are against leveling the playing field ?
Before you had NO chance without paying out the nose to a flipper or just getting crazy lucky when someone let their sub lapse or possibly being one of those insane people who made spreadsheets of houses and cross referenced seeing people online.

Now: there is always a chance a formerly owned house is going to come up for sale while you're on. Everyone has the same chance.

[Coratanni]

Let them select the house they want to keep and return all items to the npc that lets you get furniture back when your house is reclaimed for the house they (SHOULD) lose.

I'm all for the changes SE has announced. Grandfather in the current owners, there won't be selling anymore, and people can't add additional housing from here on out. Through attrition, houses will return to the market place where others can buy them. There are also additional wards coming for every housing district, on every server.

Your way? Absolutely not. A terrible business decision, punishing one part of your client base, who didn't do anything wrong, all to appease mob rule.

[Tridus]

The solution they're adding for 4.2 is the right solution. Apartments is what people should buy if they want a personal space, houses should only be for FCs. Thank you devs!

So people with a house get to keep their house (or their five houses), and people without a house should never get one and just settle for an apartment? That's not fair at all.

If there's not going to be personal housing, then there shouldn't be personal housing. Take them all away from everyone and force everyone into apartments.

[Dustytome]

merely for clarification and planning... where was this detailed?

It was not detailed exactly like that. All the rules they have stated however have been purchase level changes. You go to the placard, request to purchase a plot, it checks if you qualify against the rules they've set and then either allows or denies the purchase. I'm not sure how else they'd go about it from what they've said.

[Darrcyphfeid]

As far as them not having the space or being unable to hold all their reclaimed items, too bad?

A fantastic way to lose that subscription money they covet so much, so yes, too bad indeed.

Grandfathering in those players, who broke no rules at the time of their purchases, is the fairest way to do it. As those players lose interest in the game, or lose houses, those plots will be forever out of their reach. It's a gradual process that doesn't hurt anyone.

So you're saying this is worse because instead of a system where people can most definitely take advantage of it and sit on houses till people cough up enough that they want one.. you are against leveling the playing field ?

There's nothing level about this playing field, at all, and the newly proposed restrictions are half-measures that absolutely make it worse.

Before you had NO chance without paying out the nose to a flipper or just getting crazy lucky when someone let their sub lapse or possibly being one of those insane people who made spreadsheets of houses and cross referenced seeing people online.

And now you have no chance whatsoever to get anything greater than a small, which you have to compete for and which will invariably be the least desired of all plots because of how skewed this will be.

Now: there is always a chance a formerly owned house is going to come up for sale while you're on. Everyone has the same chance.

This could already happen, barring Square's insistence on repeatedly turning off auto-demolition. Under these new restrictions, what you said is only true if:
1.) The hidden timer expires while you're in front of the placard
2.) You have a faster finger than the multiple other people standing at that placard because of the aforementioned timer.

Further, this will not even be possible for another two months. If your concept of "fair" is to make everything worse, more power to you. But it's my belief that there will be a massive meltdown come Feb 6th when everyone finally realizes how hilarious this is being set up.



Also - I have no stake in this; I have a personal house and an FC house already. I got the one Christmas 2015 by camping all day - so I know first-hand how stupid that system is - and the other just randomly demolished when I was hanging out at a shared estate.