Monk 4.2 Adjustments

**Kaimishi** · 01-27-2018 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by wereotter

This.
Considering summoner is probably the most mobile job after bard and machinist, and that their damage is pretty continuous with regard to DOTs and pets through movement phases and other general mechanics, AND they have utility in the form of devotion and raise, they should be closer to the same level of DPS as a red mage.

To be fair, as summoner we dont have as much mobility as you think. We have for example Bahamut during which we cant move even slightly. Also the raise is tricky, we can only raise on specific and short windows if we dont want to destroy our rotation/dps. Also smn, is very punishing because of his extremely tight rotation, you are not not allowed to die. Besides, we have to control our pet while doing all of that.

**Mahrze** · 01-27-2018 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Kaimishi

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While SMN is not a Swiss Army Knife of support like NIN, BRD or PLD. Shiroe was pointing out how SMN and MNK are akin to BLM and SAM and should be on the a similar 2nd best personal DPS with utility. However, SMN has much more to contribute overall to the team vs MNK, this is without considering your points on not affecting your personal performance as SMN, which we could also argue the same for MNK but that would be moot if we're honest. Brotherhood is still limited by damage type (5% physical ATK, casters get nothing) vs Devotion (2% ATK, 2% DEF, 5% HEAL Magic) buff. And Mantra while being much stronger for healing it doesn't do much of helping healers with an incoming attack ever so often.

MNK is (or was) a Swiss Army Knife... of personal survival, but that also sacrifices our personal performance.

**Sunako** · 01-28-2018 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mahrze

However, SMN has much more to contribute overall to the team vs MNK,.

If we compare fastest o1s run monk and fastest smn pov. That show brotherhood is actually stronger than radiant shield and devotion combined. Brotherhood bring 360 raid dps while summoner bring 240 raid dps. On top of that brotherhood gonna get buffed next patch. This is fflogs raid dps calculator.

**Remedi** · 01-28-2018 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Sunako

If we compare fastest o1s run monk and fastest smn pov. That show brotherhood is actually stronger than radiant shield and devotion combined. Brotherhood bring 360 raid dps while summoner bring 240 raid dps. On top of that brotherhood gonna get buffed next patch. This is fflogs raid dps calculator.

While it giving dmg to the monk is a buff, the overall raid contribution of monk with brotherhood sources won't change much

**wereotter** · 01-29-2018 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Sunako

If we compare fastest o1s run monk and fastest smn pov. That show brotherhood is actually stronger than radiant shield and devotion combined. Brotherhood bring 360 raid dps while summoner bring 240 raid dps. On top of that brotherhood gonna get buffed next patch. This is fflogs raid dps calculator.

Utility comes in more forms than just added DPS. Let's not forget that one of the main utilities people point to regarding RDM is their ability to raise in battle, something that only SMN shares. Also let's not forget that the devs stated that mobility and how effected the job is by raid mechanics is a calculating factor regarding how much damage a job should do. Since SMN is able to continue putting out damage though their many DOTs and with their pet, they are one of the least impacted jobs when it comes to mechanics, and the most mobile job behind bard and machinist. A SMN really out to be putting out damage near the same level as RDM, but puts out much higher.

It sucks when the job you enjoy gets a power reduction, but honestly, sometimes a job is legitimately too powerful when all things are considered, and the devs literally can't just make every other job stronger, else even recent raid encounters will be laughably easy, so sometimes the offending job needs to be brought down in the name of balance. SMN isn't alone in this situation, NIN and DRG probably put out more damage than they should as well.

**Neela** · 01-29-2018 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by wereotter

their many DOTs and with their pet, they are one of the least impacted jobs when it comes to mechanics,

uhm... many dots? smn lost his 3rd dot, his dot extension with con, the ability to spam and replace shadowflare, bane got a targetdropdown, bio+mia lost pot several times... – our dots aren't anything special nowadays compared to Brd who's dot uptime is even easier or Sam dot who lasts a whole minute... smn might be on a super sayajin level right now but not because our DoTs are so awesome... there are other dots which are way better to handle than ours... thats what I said in other threads as well its an old image that we are still the major DoT cls... something they took away from our identity as well playing around with this burst-bullshit ^^'

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