Thread: Monk 4.2 Adjustments

Originally Posted by wereotter

It'll likely be a niche GL refresh like RoE is now. If you have Shoulder Tackle up and need to close the gap while GL is low, you can refresh it? Will have to play around with it and see, but I could see the possibility of an opener of Wind Tackle > Demolish > Riddle of Wind > Dragon Kick > Fists of Fire > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch. So, like you said, lets you get your stacks just slightly slower than using Perfect Balance, but lets you save that skill for later in the encounter.

I definitely see it at that point too, But with PB at 60, I don't see the reason to unless the target is being burned so fast that it'll jump or die within 60 sec to have RoW. I mean, I welcome the change as another way to keep our stacks (since RoW keeps 30s CD) I just have this unshakeable "why tho?" in the back of my head.

Originally Posted by BucklesTrespen

I think Riddle of Wind was aimed at dungeons - keeping GL between groups of mobs the same as how other classes can refresh their core mechanic between packs or just have double their duration.

I mean, RoW can be used for raids - and probably should- but it's an overly long process - which I think is why PB saw this treatment. Easier to just PB after a jump phase than FoW - WT - RoW - [Boss Jumps] - RoE - wait for hit - FoW -- all while recharging Chakra and maintaining Coeurl form...

Well I was thinking of FoW opener and keeping PB for a jump. RoW might be worth a TK here or there now considering the potential use.

Originally Posted by Shiroe

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SMNs losses are minimal and they still have a lot to bring vs other casters. MNK doesn't really have as much utility if we're to compare it like that.

Originally Posted by BucklesTrespen

Yeah, definitely during IR / Trick Attack windows and such. Gonna be fun finding the a rhythm for Monk with these changes. I'm still kinda annoyed that the GL on RoW is tied to the second tackle. I would have much preferred the second tackle just got eliminated at Wind Tackle had the GL attached. In desperate emergencies I don't much fancy changing into FoW and spamming Tackle Twice just to refresh GL at 1 second.

Oh well. What is QoL anyways. Now we have three abilities that all help maintain GL in niche ways. Yay ability bloat

At 30s CD it isn't so bad. Just the stance dance feels unecessary. I still would've preferred it as a 120s CD granting GL4 with 15% damage increase (no need for SkS buff)

Still, yes. ability bloat ftw /s xD

mnk and smn should be like what blm and sam are to eachother..

blm & sam no utility but highest dps (maybe speed kill meta alts, but not much prog meta alts)

mnk & smn, both 2nd highest personal dps, after sam & blm.., but thanx to utility welcome in prog metas as alts.. and overall flexible

but like this, see mnk pulling away like smn did just before 4.2,.. and smn falling back to the love it got around 4.0 (even if not that bad... but still)

Originally Posted by wereotter

This.
Considering summoner is probably the most mobile job after bard and machinist, and that their damage is pretty continuous with regard to DOTs and pets through movement phases and other general mechanics, AND they have utility in the form of devotion and raise, they should be closer to the same level of DPS as a red mage.

To be fair, as summoner we dont have as much mobility as you think. We have for example Bahamut during which we cant move even slightly. Also the raise is tricky, we can only raise on specific and short windows if we dont want to destroy our rotation/dps. Also smn, is very punishing because of his extremely tight rotation, you are not not allowed to die. Besides, we have to control our pet while doing all of that.

Originally Posted by Kaimishi

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While SMN is not a Swiss Army Knife of support like NIN, BRD or PLD. Shiroe was pointing out how SMN and MNK are akin to BLM and SAM and should be on the a similar 2nd best personal DPS with utility. However, SMN has much more to contribute overall to the team vs MNK, this is without considering your points on not affecting your personal performance as SMN, which we could also argue the same for MNK but that would be moot if we're honest. Brotherhood is still limited by damage type (5% physical ATK, casters get nothing) vs Devotion (2% ATK, 2% DEF, 5% HEAL Magic) buff. And Mantra while being much stronger for healing it doesn't do much of helping healers with an incoming attack ever so often.

MNK is (or was) a Swiss Army Knife... of personal survival, but that also sacrifices our personal performance.