Thread: Monk 4.2 Adjustments

Originally Posted by Shiroe

its often the same, chose the statistic that suits your argument the best

I posted every fight at 75th percentile, including exdeath where they do come close to competing. Did you even look at the stats I posted, or did you dismiss them because of some notion that Happy is an unassailable expert on monk?

Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I posted every fight at 75th percentile, including exdeath where they do come close to competing. Did you even look at the stats I posted, or did you dismiss them because of some notion that Happy is an unassailable expert on monk?

The trend holds if you look at parses in Rabanastre too, which implies its consistent in both the higher difficult end-game content and the casual end-game content.

A really good monk, with a team built to support it, will get really high numbers. But that will be the case for literally any job. If you build your party to support it, any job will pull off good numbers.

Originally Posted by TheMax1087

Its true at the 75th percentile, its false at the 99th(or in neo's case the 100th). Im sure that's what he means.

*edit* looking again at the post you were responding to, it was actually a sarcastic comment about happy

I tend to take most statistics above the 75th percentile with a grain of salt (especially 100th percentile) due to those often needing specialized comps that sacrifice other member's damage as well as plenty of balance cards. Fair enough though, it's not always the case, and at the very upper end MNK is outdoing and competing with SAM. However, I have reason to believe his comment about Happy wasn't sarcasm, as he earlier in the thread said:

Originally Posted by Shiroe

mnk just might have gotten too much love? sure, mnk needs to pull a bit ahead of nin ..., and needed a tackle- mastery revamp... , but dps-wise mnk was already competing with Sam numbers (like Mr. Happy noted), now it just might pull right up too sam if not overtake,.. with the mnk utilities?

mnk will become the new smn.. (or/ and new nin)?

to which someone responded

Originally Posted by Mahrze

Delete Mr Happy. 99.99% of the time he is wrong and that 0.01% you hesitate, he is way off the mark.

Then his response, and the rest is history.

Originally Posted by Xaert

They made the correction to the live update thread: Only Riddle of Wind will apply Greased Lightning, not Wind Tackle.

Translation: Tackle Mastery is still more or less a meme, the most this does is give us one extra bootshine in our opener and there's nothing to be excited about.

Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

Translation: Tackle Mastery is still more or less a meme, the most this does is give us one extra bootshine in our opener and there's nothing to be excited about.

It also means when we lose stacks though we can form shift then tackle and demolish to get instant 2 stacks of GL.which if you think about it isnt that bad.
My bigger gripes are the skills that sit there with no use.Tornado kick and arm of destroyer.I'd be happy if we just got touch of death back to replace one of those.

Originally Posted by Metalwrath

It also means when we lose stacks though we can form shift then tackle and demolish to get instant 2 stacks of GL.which if you think about it isnt that bad.

Then when you rethink about it - and realize we have to do the following to get that effect:

1) Shoulder Tackle must not be on cooldown - so a move with decent potency should be removed/delayed from our DPS rotation on the off chance we get targeted by a mechanic.
2) Go into Fists of Wind.
3) Wind Tackle.
4) Riddle of Wind. (GL refreshed / granted)
5) Go back into Fists of Fire.

It's a pretty crap way of handling the issue - putting it behind 3 keystrokes - 4 really because we will always go back into FoF afterwards.

At this point the Riddles, the tackles - everything that came with SB Monk - and Monk on whole, needs a complete overhaul.

Originally Posted by BucklesTrespen

Then when you rethink about it - and realize we have to do the following to get that effect:

1) Shoulder Tackle must not be on cooldown - so a move with decent potency should be removed/delayed from our DPS rotation on the off chance we get targeted by a mechanic.
2) Go into Fists of Wind.
3) Wind Tackle.
4) Riddle of Wind. (GL refreshed / granted)
5) Go back into Fists of Fire.

It's a pretty crap way of handling the issue - putting it behind 3 keystrokes - 4 really because we will always go back into FoF afterwards.

At this point the Riddles, the tackles - everything that came with SB Monk - and Monk on whole, needs a complete overhaul.

Shoulder tackle is usually on cooldown during GL downtime phases.If you know the fight mechanics you will know where you are useing it.
And to be honest i dont want to see a noob friendly way of keeping up GL.It defeats the purpose of it being a high skill high reward job.