How do you feel about the BLM 4.2 adjustments?

**Remedi** · 01-20-2018 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Agreed, but the skill floor isn't the issue with the class. Its the ceiling that is the issue, and my comments are on that subject which was why I labelled it meaningless.

Agree just saying that the are actively raising the skill floor on all jobs as such those should've been expected, let's not forget what they have done with DRG positional bonus, heavy trust bonus and soon WAR storm eye.
That's why I say their changes are still conforming to their policy of raising the floor, ture that as you say the problem is the ceiling and we kinda need to see how much the increase is on F4 to say something, though it won't probably be enough

Tell you what actually, this are actually good changes and you know why? Maybe once more ppl will reach the ceiling they will see the light and finally understand that the problems lie elsewhere and we can finally reach something.

Or not, sometimes ppl like to deny even facts.

**jstamos** · 01-20-2018 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Just because you are level 70 doesn't mean you have paid attention while levelling or that you know what you are doing. Do you have any experience with endgame raiding.

Ah okay you really don't get that this isn't a discussion exclusively about endgame. Apologies! I'll keep my replies to relevant participants in this discussion going forward.

**Bernkastelx** · 01-20-2018 04:59 AM

Its moot at this point I like the changes that is my opinion you have your own and that is fine. I was like you once with mch and I'll give you a tip through future balances. "Expect Nothing"

**HaroldSaxon** · 01-20-2018 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by jstamos

Ah okay you really don't get that this isn't a discussion exclusively about endgame. Apologies! I'll keep my replies to relevant participants in this discussion going forward.

And you don't get that these changes were nothing to do with the leveling and also make no difference to leveling. If you want to bring up levelling issues, then great, go right ahead. But at least make sure you know what you are talking about before you say incorrect things.

**HaroldSaxon** · 01-20-2018 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by Bernkastelx

Its moot at this point I like the changes that is my opinion you have your own and that is fine. I was like you once with mch and I'll give you a tip through future balances. "Expect Nothing"

Machinist has been a very strong job for a very long time (outside of the 4.0 release blip). Absolutely no comparison with BLM's state. I was honestly shocked that it got nerfed this patch - it says a lot about how strong it has been.

**zuzu-bq** · 01-20-2018 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by jstamos

Ah okay you really don't get that this isn't a discussion exclusively about endgame. Apologies! I'll keep my replies to relevant participants in this discussion going forward.

If a job isn't liked in endgame scenario by any means. Players will reflect this behavior in any other content. Harold has been constantly bringing things to the table about the job. Though he applies his line of tought on raids and endgame, most of his arguments also apply to any other combat PvE content.

**Grimoire-M** · 01-20-2018 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Bernkastelx

Um smn just got some instant casts on ruin iv and ruin iii during dreadwyrm trance and mp cost reduction which was much needed on a class like that. They still haven't fixed how clunky derpmut is and using some of your pet cds in rapid succession.

We didn't need DWT to become our mobility cooldown when we already have a filler spell that does the same thing. DWT in HW was essentially the same thing as Bahamut is now: Our most important cooldown, that we feed everything else into. I don't get why the lockouts were done at all. I get the Aetherflow cooldown adjustments in light of them, and why DWT was given mobility in the form of Ruin III, but I don't get why it was done in the first place. Why not integrate Bahamut into DWT itself and work with the way players were already using him in HW? It doesn't make any sense to me.

**Lina_Slayer** · 01-20-2018 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Machinist has been a very strong job for a very long time (outside of the 4.0 release blip). Absolutely no comparison with BLM's state. I was honestly shocked that it got nerfed this patch - it says a lot about how strong it has been.

Machinist is by far the weakest and most replaceable meta job, I don't know why NIN is never ever nerfed... MCH will now probably just be replaced by MNK and everything else will stay the same.

**HaroldSaxon** · 01-20-2018 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Lina_Slayer

Machinist is by far the weakest and most replaceable meta job, I don't know why NIN is never ever nerfed... MCH will now probably just be replaced by MNK and everything else will stay the same.

I never said it wasn't, but at least its been in the meta consistently for a long period of time. BLM hasn't been close for that same period of time. To Monk's credit, it hasn't been there for a while. But I find it very hard to sympathize with Machinist in a thread about Black Mage. Not all DPS classes can be meta, but when one has been for multiple raid tiers and another hasn't - there's an issue.

**Shiroe** · 01-20-2018 05:20 AM

transpose reduction was really not needed, even a reduction to 10 not to 8 would have been way enough too

the fire proc timer increase gives more time to hold on too (or possibly even past a ice astral phase back to fire) for mobility.., even if its increase by 8, 10 or 12 sec might helped more for mobility ..., 6 is a tick short but still helps (and 6 sec increase seems not final, hopefully it will longer... also for more room for the thunder procs, thats where the increase helps the most)

but the expected only 280 F4 buff will cause Blm to sh1tstom at SE / Yoshi (!)

maybe not all at 1st, but it will backlash.., and 280 is expected since SE has always been very "holding back" on blm buffs, either cause thr blm base is already very big and doesnt need much more growth.. or Blm shouldnt seem like Yoshi"s favourite class getting the extra cake (other classes seem to get higher buffs over the whole board when getti g patch buffs, blm seems to always get micro buffs)

and like Harold said, with Sam not getting any buff in 4.2 (even if sam tend to hog the most group buffs), blm wil remain like sam .. meaning the blm F4 buff will be 280 (max 300), but no way the needed ca. 320, or sam would fall to far behind

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