4.2 Housing Update

[worldofneil]

The only people that abused housing are the ones that buy and flip for huge profits.

SE did allow multiples per account after all so to me, one house per alt was not abuse.

Agreed, the system was setup so players could buy 1 personal character and 1 FC house per character. Not abuse, just how the system was designed.

The multiple plot owners should be given "X" amount of time to sell/demolish/give away, whatever, any more than 1 plot per main

Woah there! You just said they did nothing wrong. Why are you trying to punish them now? Because they have something you'll now never be able to get? (multiple houses).

Also sell/giveaway won't really be options with 4.2 either. There is no official sell function and I can't see many people wanting to "buy" a plot if they can't have some guarantee that they'll get it with the new random timer.

Same for giveaway, no guarantee that the person you're giving it to will be able to get it. That only leaves demolish and literally no incentive for anyone to do that.

Now that housing has become such an issue SE needs to step up and deal with it.

Well going forward people will only be able to buy 1 personal house etc.

I could of bought a house on my alt but I chose not to.

Okay. The option was there though.

There is something to be said for not being a glutton and sharing with others.

You just said at the start of your post "SE did allow multiples per account after all so to me, one house per alt was not abuse", but anyone that actually did that is a glutton?

[Besame]

Gluttony is not deliberate abuse, it's a behavior issue. There is a distinction between a behavior and intended millions of gained gil for profit abuse. Fortunately, I don't have this behavior. What I am stating is: if SE continues to make wards without standards for purchase, eg., 1 per acct/main with alts receiving all privileges, this problem will continue. If people can abuse OR work around the system they will find a way unless SE places a total stop gap on purchasing any way but one. In any case, time will tell after 4.2. I won't hold my breath that anything I have read from them so far will come to fruition, after all, Read "A:" in my comment. Their word means nothing until the fat lady sings.

[Zigabar]

In any case, time will tell after 4.2. I won't hold my breath that anything I have read from them so far will come to fruition, after all, Read "A." in my comment. Their word means nothing until the fat lady sings.

While I'm happy for the grandfathering being clarified, for my own gluttonous reasons, I do agree with you on taking their current stance at face value. I, personally, have already taken action to ensure that if they eventually change their mind, on keeping players with multiple houses grandfathered in, that I will not be losing my 2nd FC. Your signature is a prime example of them being capable of changing their minds along with my personal experience of losing grandfather status on other products/services.

[Khalithar]

Yoshida mentioned during the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XLI that the rules being added in Patch 4.2 will be applicable to new purchases only. Players who already possess more than one FC estate and 1 personal estate per world will not lose their existing housing.

They need to lose their additional houses. This rule is fantastic, however it needs to be applied retroactively otherwise it's a hollow gesture. Now obviously, let them select the house they want to keep and give them a full 100% refund of all their gil and items but they need to lose any other houses they own.

[Squintina]

While I understand why people want it to be retroactive, it just isn't fair for people who got it when it was totally allowed.

Besides, in the long run it won't really matter if some people are grandfathered in. Those people won't be able to buy more houses, so the new wards will be for those who can. There will be more wards over time.

Furthermore if any of those people with multiple houses go away and get demo'd, they'd lose their houses that way and I'm pretty sure (though it's not confirmed, but based on how the system sounds like) that they would end up with the 1 house rule once that happens.

[Amariel34]

and are planning on updating apartments to Small/Medium/Large.

Is there concrete proof of this? I know YoshiP said they would "look into it" after 4.2 but I never saw anything where it was set in stone to be coming in the future. Could you link where you saw it, please?

[worldofneil]

Your signature is a prime example of them being capable of changing their minds along with my personal experience of losing grandfather status on other products/services.

Personally I always think that's it's unfair to hold to them what they wrote back in that live letter. That was said over a month before they even released housing and two years before they actually bought in reclamation of inactive housing.

I'm sure at the time they said that they meant it, but 2 years later it seems that wasn't possible any more (and it probably didn't help that a lot of the community were actually demanding that they added in demolition because they didn't like all the unused houses sat around).

[Siniztor]

They need to lose their additional houses. This rule is fantastic, however it needs to be applied retroactively otherwise it's a hollow gesture. Now obviously, let them select the house they want to keep and give them a full 100% refund of all their gil and items but they need to lose any other houses they own.

why multi home owners broke no rules..and do you think there gonna give back real life money people spent on mog staiion items like wallpapers n flooring. and please for the sake of arguemnt tell me what im gonna do with 440 items i cant sell or place any where cause i all ready have a house full..you gonna give me the gil i paid for the items when i bought them?? like the bearskin rug that was 4mil+ now 200k..Or the price there worth now which is nothing cause the markets flooded due to materials being cheap

[HeavyMetalGod]

Honestly SE can fix the issue with certain items like flooring/lights/wallpaper etc. I believe it was mentioned (cannot remember where) they were going to make them removable and be able to keep them.

About multiple plot owners being grandfathered in I do not agree with it but there is a way for SE to fix it:

1. Allow all characters on a single account use the same private house.
2. For a 90 day window, allow players to demolish housing and receive full price in return. Send out e-mail and in game notifications to players with multiple houses 45 days out from the 90 window every 5 days informing them to demolish extra housing or run the risk of losing all housing on their account (will still get all items and 100% Gil back if forced).

The change will not please everyone. Also for those who rage quit over this, your a small subset of the user base.

[SrP]

After reading in these forums how people boasted about having several houses and being able to buy more in patch 4.2. I hope the effect is retroactive and receive the price of the house and the furnitures in storage, nothing more.

It is a very cynical attitude to ask in these forums that they do not take away their multiple houses, this being the biggest housing problem.

I am happy to see how yoshi has not only finished with these greedy people, but also that it has ended the resale system.