4.2 Housing Update

[Dragonrage53]

I would assume that SE is taking baby steps on this at least hopefully(knock on wood). Assuming this is a baby step the next step would be remove the ability to relocate for those above the cap and say 3? months to slim down their properties with proper compensation until there could be a forced demolition of all but the 1/1 allotment. If this is just a stopgap measure It would be reasonable to say there's a much larger rework of the housing system in the works but not much to work on at this point to support that.

[Adeacia]

I know I personally would remove houses from people who had ones that were beyond the limit, they would get no gil back, they would get no furniture back (other than mog station items) and I would tell them to just deal with it as they told other players who they prevented from getting houses.

Thankfully, to those people, that isn't going to happen. I already have a medium in the Lavender Beds and have for a long time so this doesn't affect me directly, but I do hope they do something about people that own tons of houses so people who don't own one and wants to, can get one.

I got mine after someone lost theirs to auto demo after all.

[Claviusnex]

I would assume that SE is taking baby steps on this at least hopefully(knock on wood). Assuming this is a baby step the next step would be remove the ability to relocate for those above the cap and say 3? months to slim down their properties with proper compensation until there could be a forced demolition of all but the 1/1 allotment. If this is just a stopgap measure It would be reasonable to say there's a much larger rework of the housing system in the works but not much to work on at this point to support that.

They just can't get rid of the additional houses a player might own. Many have purchased housing items out of the cash shop for real money so SE would have to reimburse them for their costs as not every housing item can be kept if players are forced to one house. The only fair thing is to grandfather them and eventually reclaim them through attrition or when the owner surrenders them. To beat a dead horse, the multiple house owners are not the problem. The problem is the current model is not capable of scaling to meet demand. Until that is resolved players are going to be dissatisfied with housing and forcing a few extra houses on the market won't do anything to make it better. In fact fixing the supply problem would put the resellers and RMT folks out of business as there would be no point in buying a house they couldn't sell.

[Dragonrage53]

I see your point Clav but how long does one let a cancer grow intended or unintended before the infected parts are removed. Please note i'm not intentionally or angrily calling the unintended or well intentioned house hoarders, house enthusiasts, and other variations cancerous, a fair or large amount of them do use and love their houses but at some point you have to cut out the bad parts and someones going to loose it all or the whole system falls down goes boom. That's how these things work out in the end. Bottom line the system is critically flawed and there's much to fix. But, if you allow the old poisonous parts to remain it just spoils any good intention put forward. In the end its up to SE how this works out lets all hope they come up with something that's fair and amicable to everyone eh?

[Penthea]

I got mine after someone lost theirs to auto demo after all.

Some people keep saying it's such a tiny fix it's hardly noteworthy at all, and it would be in comparison to a housing overhaul, but nearly everyone I know who has a personal or fc house got it because of demolition. So...yea, even small fixes can have a noticeable impact.

[Claviusnex]

I see your point Clav but how long does one let a cancer grow intended or unintended before the infected parts are removed. Please note i'm not intentionally or angrily calling the unintended or well intentioned house hoarders, house enthusiasts, and other variations cancerous, a fair or large amount of them do use and love their houses but at some point you have to cut out the bad parts and someones going to loose it all or the whole system falls down goes boom. That's how these things work out in the end. Bottom line the system is critically flawed and there's much to fix. But, if you allow the old poisonous parts to remain it just spoils any good intention put forward. In the end its up to SE how this works out lets all hope they come up with something that's fair and amicable to everyone eh?

The thing is the multiple dwelling players are minimal and most own two or three houses not the mythical huge numbers most people seem to believe they do (yes there a few exceptions such as that ward on Mateaus). While none of us have the numbers I am willing to bet it is under 1% of the houses for N.A. To use your analogy these people are benign and you don't normally remove a benign growth. Take away their houses that were bought legally and you just alienate more players. You also still haven't done anything about flippers and RMT folks who are a real cancer to the game. Even with the timer and additional housing it will still be so constrained that some players will be willing to pay for the chance at getting a plot. They will do this even if they have to camp it for days to wait out a variable timer. Under the current system it is much better to have players voluntarily relinquish a house. In fact SE could encourage this by allowing alts to share houses automatically. A number of players have stated the only reason they have more than one house is to get around this silly restriction and would go down to one if they could share. However the real fix is to have an unlimited supply of houses. This means SE needs to add a lot more ward servers or drop the idea of wards and provide instanced housing. They wouldn't have to dump wards completely and could still keep the wards for those that are willing to live with its limitations. For everybody else have a parallel housing system based on instances. Instances would not only scale better but would allow for many of the item restrictions to be removed because of the scalability.

[Dragonrage53]

I wholly agree housing should have been instanced from the start, also allowing one house for one account where all characters on the account have automatic access would be great. Perhaps change what houses one sees in each neighborhood when someone goes to their own house based on their friends list, fc mates, LS mates... This allows for a far more intimate feeling neighborhood than what exists now with all the zombie houses. Either way this housing system is doomed unless SE does something about these intentional house hoarders and RMT's holding houses for ransom.

If they choose to stay with persistent housing in the end, People who knowingly and lightly pushed the boundary's (2-5ish? houses) for good reasons will get burned the most when they loose all but one of their houses. No way in saying how this can or will end but that's in SE's hands not mine and iv'e clearly laid out my ideas for them to read either way i'm done with this subject have a wonderful day /wave

[Nalette]

I think a lot of folks who enjoy decorating and RP especially would happily give up their additional houses if they knew they could have an apartment with the same layout as a small, medium, or large house.... and not a cramped FC room. Or heck, even give apartments their own unique layouts to go along with the different sizes!


Especially since there are only so many ways you can decorate the outside of a house, and the item allotment out there is super limited.

[Elamys]

I think a lot of folks who enjoy decorating and RP especially would happily give up their additional houses if they could have an apartment with the same layout as a small, medium, or large house.... and not a cramped FC room.

Yeah...I can live without a yard. They should really be looking at making apartments upgradeable. They're just a more expensive, unwieldy version of an FC room.

[LaylaTsarra]

Yeah...I can live without a yard. They should really be looking at making apartments upgradeable. They're just a more expensive, unwieldy version of an FC room.

They are talking about small, medium and large size apartments. What they'll add in addition to that remains to be seen. I do believe it's on the agenda.