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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniise View Post
    Imagine that scholar who dreams of his 'own cute library' and really wants it, prepared for it and gathered all the money by himself, but gets outrun by that FC that prepared aswell. In that case that scholar need to suck it up just as well.
    You wouldn't want to tell the FC that they have to give up their house for the benefit of the scholar, right? Then, why do it the other way around? Because the scholar already has another house, or an appartement, or a room in his FC's house? They both had the same chance of getting a house in this case. The other party was just a tad more lucky. Who are we to say who deserves it more?
    The scholar in the example already has one house... so yeah, they should suck it up if an FC without a house beats them and the Scholar doesn't get it... too bad. Similarly, no... I wouldn't expect an FC with only one house to give it to a Scholar who already has one.

    Simple maths really makes it balance out quite obviously, if there are more unique players in the fc than 1 then they are more important than the 1. Just to point it out... the devs have said who deserves it more with the way they've tilted everything in favour of the FCs now... it's the FCs.



    Quote Originally Posted by Aniise View Post
    Sadly that's what housing is in FFXIV. To change this, the _whole_ system would need a complete change that would probably result in taking all houses away, and install instanced housing or something like that, and I guarantee you that there would be a big uproar if they suddenly decided to do this.
    Yeah, seems like they could avoid that by... not grandfathering people in and buying more time to add more wards in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aniise View Post
    Long story short, I just can't stand behind the idea of taking things from people they have owned for a while just 'for the greater good of the majority'. In my eyes it's plainly wrong, while in your eyes it might just be the best choice they can make at this point. I guess we just stand on different moral points there.
    It's not really morals it's ethics. But realistically, applying your stance against yourself, it's morally right to take the houses away because the emotions of those that don't have houses would be negatively impacted.
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    Nhaama Kagon
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    Shiva
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    Scholar Lv 95
    Quote Originally Posted by Sairys View Post
    Simple maths really makes it balance out quite obviously, if there are more unique players in the fc than 1 then they are more important than the 1. Just to point it out... the devs have said who deserves it more with the way they've tilted everything in favour of the FCs now... it's the FCs.
    Wow, so the dev's have 'said' who is more important now huh? I don't think the rule changes should be interpreted exactly this way.
    Yes, they give the FCs an advantage now which is surely a good and welcomed change, and I also wrote that a few pages ago if I recall correctly.
    But I guess it's happening because of the uproar after the Shirogane launch. Not because they think Fc's are more important. This is just your personal interpretation.
    And if people should give up their houses now only for the benefit of FCs or rather small FCs with less then 4 people...well... quoting myself:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aniise View Post
    Edit: Also, with the new system added, it's almost guaranteed that each FC who wants a house will get one. Even the ones with less then 4 people; all they have to do is recruit a few players beforehand which isn't that much work tbh.
    If an Fc doesn't use that big advantage then the fault lies with them. Simple. People who've had two houses for like 4 years shouldn't be punished for it now. :/
    We can turn in circles speaking about ethics and stuff while from your point of view it's morally right, and from my point of view it's morally wrong. I guess we won't change each others point of view no matter what.
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    Last edited by Aniise; 01-20-2018 at 12:20 AM.

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    Rymmrael Bhaldraelwyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniise View Post
    People who've had two houses for like 4 years shouldn't be punished for it now.
    I would just like to point out that the word "punished" isn't correct here. Being impacted negatively by something does not necessarily make it a punishment. I agree that players who purchased multiple homes did not break any rules (I'll not go into whether or not it was morally/ethically wrong) that SE had in place for housing, largely because SE totally screwed up housing and there were loopholes all over the place.

    It's like owning a home with a big, beautiful front lawn for years. Eventually the traffic in front of your house gets worse and worse and finally the city has to do something to relieve the gridlock. So they decide to add another lane, by widening the street and taking part of your front lawn to do it, maybe even chopping down a tree or two. Does it negatively impact the homeowner? Yes. Is the homeowner being punished? No. But the city needs to infringe on their luxury in order to make the lives of the majority of people better.
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