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    I see your point Clav but how long does one let a cancer grow intended or unintended before the infected parts are removed. Please note i'm not intentionally or angrily calling the unintended or well intentioned house hoarders, house enthusiasts, and other variations cancerous, a fair or large amount of them do use and love their houses but at some point you have to cut out the bad parts and someones going to loose it all or the whole system falls down goes boom. That's how these things work out in the end. Bottom line the system is critically flawed and there's much to fix. But, if you allow the old poisonous parts to remain it just spoils any good intention put forward. In the end its up to SE how this works out lets all hope they come up with something that's fair and amicable to everyone eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonrage53 View Post
    I see your point Clav but how long does one let a cancer grow intended or unintended before the infected parts are removed. Please note i'm not intentionally or angrily calling the unintended or well intentioned house hoarders, house enthusiasts, and other variations cancerous, a fair or large amount of them do use and love their houses but at some point you have to cut out the bad parts and someones going to loose it all or the whole system falls down goes boom. That's how these things work out in the end. Bottom line the system is critically flawed and there's much to fix. But, if you allow the old poisonous parts to remain it just spoils any good intention put forward. In the end its up to SE how this works out lets all hope they come up with something that's fair and amicable to everyone eh?
    The thing is the multiple dwelling players are minimal and most own two or three houses not the mythical huge numbers most people seem to believe they do (yes there a few exceptions such as that ward on Mateaus). While none of us have the numbers I am willing to bet it is under 1% of the houses for N.A. To use your analogy these people are benign and you don't normally remove a benign growth. Take away their houses that were bought legally and you just alienate more players. You also still haven't done anything about flippers and RMT folks who are a real cancer to the game. Even with the timer and additional housing it will still be so constrained that some players will be willing to pay for the chance at getting a plot. They will do this even if they have to camp it for days to wait out a variable timer. Under the current system it is much better to have players voluntarily relinquish a house. In fact SE could encourage this by allowing alts to share houses automatically. A number of players have stated the only reason they have more than one house is to get around this silly restriction and would go down to one if they could share. However the real fix is to have an unlimited supply of houses. This means SE needs to add a lot more ward servers or drop the idea of wards and provide instanced housing. They wouldn't have to dump wards completely and could still keep the wards for those that are willing to live with its limitations. For everybody else have a parallel housing system based on instances. Instances would not only scale better but would allow for many of the item restrictions to be removed because of the scalability.
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    Last edited by Claviusnex; 01-22-2018 at 07:18 AM.

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    I wholly agree housing should have been instanced from the start, also allowing one house for one account where all characters on the account have automatic access would be great. Perhaps change what houses one sees in each neighborhood when someone goes to their own house based on their friends list, fc mates, LS mates... This allows for a far more intimate feeling neighborhood than what exists now with all the zombie houses. Either way this housing system is doomed unless SE does something about these intentional house hoarders and RMT's holding houses for ransom.

    If they choose to stay with persistent housing in the end, People who knowingly and lightly pushed the boundary's (2-5ish? houses) for good reasons will get burned the most when they loose all but one of their houses. No way in saying how this can or will end but that's in SE's hands not mine and iv'e clearly laid out my ideas for them to read either way i'm done with this subject have a wonderful day /wave
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    I think a lot of folks who enjoy decorating and RP especially would happily give up their additional houses if they knew they could have an apartment with the same layout as a small, medium, or large house.... and not a cramped FC room. Or heck, even give apartments their own unique layouts to go along with the different sizes!


    Especially since there are only so many ways you can decorate the outside of a house, and the item allotment out there is super limited.
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    Last edited by Nalette; 01-22-2018 at 08:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalette View Post
    I think a lot of folks who enjoy decorating and RP especially would happily give up their additional houses if they could have an apartment with the same layout as a small, medium, or large house.... and not a cramped FC room.
    Yeah...I can live without a yard. They should really be looking at making apartments upgradeable. They're just a more expensive, unwieldy version of an FC room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    Yeah...I can live without a yard. They should really be looking at making apartments upgradeable. They're just a more expensive, unwieldy version of an FC room.
    They are talking about small, medium and large size apartments. What they'll add in addition to that remains to be seen. I do believe it's on the agenda.
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    That would be wonderful for sure. Too bad they shot down the balcony idea though.
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    cerise leclaire
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    The bottom line is there is gil (and in some cases IRL money) to be made over house flipping. If SE really thinks gating house purchases behind four person FCs is going to stop the issue I don't know what to say anymore. If you want to flip a house, wouldn't you just make a tiny FC with scheming friends, invite the buyer into your FC, take your payment, promote them to lead, then leave entirely and take your profit with you so you can do it again later?

    All they've done is make it a longer process and cut out all the competition from individual buyers. Great job.
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    Greetings,

    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Anyone happen to know if they will be removing houses from those currently already own more then one plot per server?
    Yoshida mentioned during the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XLI that the rules being added in Patch 4.2 will be applicable to new purchases only. Players who already possess more than one FC estate and 1 personal estate per world will not lose their existing housing.

    We appreciate all the feedback shared so far and will continue to pass your thoughts along to the dev. team!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxpheras View Post
    Greetings,



    Yoshida mentioned during the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XLI that the rules being added in Patch 4.2 will be applicable to new purchases only. Players who already possess more than one FC estate and 1 personal estate per world will not lose their existing housing.

    We appreciate all the feedback shared so far and will continue to pass your thoughts along to the dev. team!
    Thank you for the confirmation Luxpheras, you cleared up a lot of confusion floating around on the forum. For the record, I think allowing hoarders to keep their collection of houses is a terrible idea, pretty much for all the reasons outlined here and in other threads. It's just my small opinion, but I figured I would express it since you are still taking feedback.
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