Harassment everywhere

[Pells]

A few tips.

You are not entitled to give me your opinion.

You should heed your own advice.

[Bernkastelx]

People are not going to improve unless you tell them what they are doing wrong, then if they choose to ignore you they can enjoy being kicked through that duty and future ones. They will catch on sooner or later.

[Gleipni]

People are not going to improve unless you tell them what they are doing wrong, then if they choose to ignore you they can enjoy being kicked through that duty and future ones. They will catch on sooner or later.

Thats a simple but right on the point comment !

I agree 100% with that,people don't make an effort ? why shoudl WE make an effort for them ?

[zuzu-bq]

People are not going to improve unless you tell them what they are doing wrong, then if they choose to ignore you they can enjoy being kicked through that duty and future ones. They will catch on sooner or later.

My exact feelings.

[Deithwen]

Ah, so harassment. Thanks.

Could be, although it would be really hard to prove to GMs =/ It's like passive aggressive behaviour.

I've seen maybe 2 or 3 times since release day, always in 24 man raids, where the gap between good and bad players is so huge, it creates a lot of frustration.

[Malevolence]

Could be, although it would be really hard to prove to GMs =/ It's like passive aggressive behaviour.

I've seen maybe 2 or 3 times since release day, always in 24 man raids, where the gap between good and bad players is so huge, it creates a lot of frustration.

Simply take a screen shot; like you and others have said - no good reason to mark a player in the instance. Still, hard to tell since no one said anything and it was towards the end of the instance. Our healer (even though he marked me) was a champ throughout and I gave him my commendation anyway.

[Sebazy]

Simply take a screen shot; like you and others have said - no good reason to mark a player in the instance. Still, hard to tell since no one said anything and it was towards the end of the instance. Our healer (even though he marked me) was a champ throughout and I gave him my commendation anyway.

At the risk of putting a big target on my back:

It sounds like you'd made up your mind on this being 'harassment' when you were writing your initial post.

If you're getting wound up by someone putting a marker on your head in casual content then perhaps it's time to step away from the screen sir =(

It's human nature in some people to be d**ks unfortunately, life is a lot easier if you can learn to roll with the punches and have your own fun with it.

I'm not trying to defend this kind of behaviour as I'm hardly a fan of it either, but there's a very real reason as to why online interactions are rated in the manner that they are.

[Potchi]

I think what it all comes down to is that there is equal fault on both sides. Here's a breakdown of what people need to understand.

Dungeons are for learning jobs:
No one is going to come out of gate knowing a job and having mastery of it. It doesnt help that palace of the dead skyrockets them to 60 without them getting actual job training. I understand that we get impatient after running the same dungeon over and over, but we need to also understand that dungeons are the only way for people on new jobs to get field training and experience. And while I understand the impatience, we can do something about our impatient attitudes (Im guilty of it at times as well as im sure we all are). They cant do anything about being new to the job besides learn, and that is why they are in the dungeon.

With that said, this is the place for understanding, patience, and positive constructive critisism if they want it. Some people just want to learn for themselves as well and if that is the case leave them to it and dont get offended that they want to do it on their own. Thats just how some people learn the best.

Raids and ex trials are for seeking a higher mastery of your job:

So let me first say, if you are thinking of joining raids (standard omega) or ex trials, you should have a good grasp of your job. Keep in mind that people joining these may not be masters of their jobs, rotations, cool down management, etc. This is a good place for them to achieve a higher level of mastery in their job. With this area, they should be open to constructive critism if something they are doing isnt working. At this point, if they can not take constructive critisism the party has every right to kick I feel. (i.e. You suck! Get gud scrub! is NOT constructive critisism, tell the player where the error is and give a suggestion on how they can fix it.). But if they take the critisism and are trying to improve, be patient and continue helping. We all start somewhere and keep im mind, we dont all learn at the same pace.

Finally, Savage is NOT a place to learn or master your job:

Let me be to the point here. If you are going into savage content, you need to understand that you are expected to have mastery over your job. If you decide to join up for savage without having this mastery of your job, you are immediately in the wrong. Understand that if you do this, you are in fact harrassing the party you joined by wasting their time and joining content you are not prepared for. In these cases, I feel the party has the right to flat out kick someone who "repeatedly" fails to fufil the roles of their job. Now, note I said repeatedly. Keep in mind everyone makes mistakes. Dont rip someone a new one just from one mistake. Give them a chance to show you that they just had mess up and prove to you they know what they are doing before you go on the offensive.

Regardless of all of this, something everyone should keep in mind whether you like it or not. A kind word goes much farther than an aggressive one.

[Paladin776]

...Overwatch is a toxic swamp not a friendly game.

Replace "Overwatch is" with "Blizzard Games are"

I've only been playing just a touch over 2 weeks now and have run a few dungeons. I've played MMO's for years and am aware that tanking in a game is usually an acquired talent, but this time, I jumped in feet first. Have done most of the dungeons I've unlocked up to The Navel trial and have to say that all of my groups have been patient with me and been more than welcome to give advice when it looks like I'm needing it. I've even been called down once after a wipe (which was basically my lack of keeping aggro sufficiently) and it was direct, but politely given. It's nice to know that there are still some human beings around.

[Tridus]

Replace "Overwatch is" with "Blizzard Games are"

I've only been playing just a touch over 2 weeks now and have run a few dungeons. I've played MMO's for years and am aware that tanking in a game is usually an acquired talent, but this time, I jumped in feet first. Have done most of the dungeons I've unlocked up to The Navel trial and have to say that all of my groups have been patient with me and been more than welcome to give advice when it looks like I'm needing it. I've even been called down once after a wipe (which was basically my lack of keeping aggro sufficiently) and it was direct, but politely given. It's nice to know that there are still some human beings around.

Glad to hear it. Welcome to the game. I have a friend on Zalera if you find yourself needing some local assistance sometime.