Harassment everywhere

[Ryulise]

Structural criticism would be nice instead of people whining about how somebody sucks.

[MoroMurasaki]

Structural criticism would be nice instead of people whining about how somebody sucks.

And yet when it's given in-game it's most often met with silence and no change. The next most common reaction is certainly anger in my experience, even with me sugarcoating things like I'm talking to children.

[Paladinleeds]

And yet when it's given in-game it's most often met with silence and no change. The next most common reaction is certainly anger in my experience, even with me sugarcoating things like I'm talking to children.

Yeah, but that doesn't stop me giving the "Have you considered [suggestion]?" style tips where I feel them appropriate. I'm not perfect, not by a long shot, and I don't dare try and give full scale savage progging advice (my 9-40th percentile Savage logs tell me I'm not qualified to talk about that). But I do at least try and help bring people up to more playable standards. I think my problem with WHM might be putting too much stock in the lillies... which I think I'm doing because I want to make them useful. But generally the tips I give are the basic barebones of the job, such as managing astral fire/umbral ice on BLM.

[Sylvina]

Yeah like angry responses and salt are going to be effective at getting people to change. if anything makes someone want to change, its being nice and pointing out how they can improve. Being rude gets you NOWHERE with people.

[Miste]

Yeah like angry responses and salt are going to be effective at getting people to change. if anything makes someone want to change, its being nice and pointing out how they can improve. Being rude gets you NOWHERE with people.

Thing is most of the time being nice doesn't seem to work either....at least in my experience. I get told off even if I sugar coat and try to type in the most neutral/positive way possible.

So uh I am not sure why you think people have not tried "being nice"? I mean it isn't like a revolutionary concept or anything.

[akaneakki]

Thing is most of the time being nice doesn't seem to work either....at least in my experience. I get told off even if I sugar coat and try to type in the most neutral/positive way possible.

So uh I am not sure why you think people have not tried "being nice"? I mean it isn't like a revolutionary concept or anything.

Because being nice and tell them how they can approve is harrasment.

[MeridaQ]

I once made an entire a12s clear party upset at me back in HW by simply saying, "I don't understand why you're having me pull and use equilibrium and holmgang if the healers aren't gonna dps." Even better was half the people started saying that we didn't agree the healers should dps so that meant they could stand idle for the first ~18 seconds of the pull.

Lol... yeah that’s the moment where people don’t understand the reason behind the strategy in the first place. At least they were right to know that is the best way. xD

[RiyahArp]

People fear harassment because players can be jerks, and show it when empowered to do so. They will spam vote abandon, they will leave instances that can be done easily the moment anything happens, (especially tanks), and they will complain endlessly about bad players as a way to stroke their own egos, and reinforce an us versus them mindset. Adding parsers to the mix might make it even more volatile, for a game that has a very weak sense of community to begin with. Where you think this is justified or not, is up to you. But I really don't have much faith in people to act responsibly; i've changed to tank too many times to replace someone who left after one wipe in a learning trial, and seen too much forum talk for me to believe that.

[Yeol]

What I read on the forums: Lots of toxic and harassment topics.
What I see in game: Lots of nice and friendly people.

[RiyahArp]

What I read on the forums: Lots of toxic and harassment topics.
What I see in game: Lots of nice and friendly people.

I don't see that at all. People barely even talk in game. I can count on one hand the times I got advice or even help; I learned everything about my jobs myself through third party sites or powering through it. Most instances are silent. People assume way too much about this community in game, probably cause they havent played MMOs long to see the difference.