Harassment everywhere

[Legion88]

Admittedly I was a bit crushed, because it wasn't the introduction to the forums I expected, or wanted.
I thought maybe Limit Break Radio were right, these forums aren't for every XIV player, & I'd made a mistake joining up.

But I'm here now, I'd love participate on boards here - if you folks will have me ^^

Don't let you down, sometimes it can be a bit rough or hot heated especially if opinions and experiences are colidng with each other but that is part of discussions.

[Awha]

People don't like to be told their wrong.

Just did a trial with 2 paladins.... one told the other if they want to MT they need to put their shield up.

"Dont need it at 50"

Apparently he didn't give a crap about enimity mechanics and being able to let OT do more DPS?

Oh..here's the kicker...moron paladin was a mentor.

Yeah....

Even I knew that 2 paladins always trade off stances...even tanks....its just....a well duh.

Oh and the speed run idiots.....yeah..gotta love those.

Not sure about the details, but I thought that due to the fact that pld only combo is their enmity one staying in sword oath is better. With proper use of shirk both tanks should be able to stay out of tank stance. I do not think this is an issue of a so called "moron" more so someone trying to fit within the moar dps mindset and maybe not executing it properly. I know of many tanks that try to tank in DPS stance without proper cooldown usage due to people telling said players that tanking in DPS is the proper way to tank without being told the added context. As I said not sure of the details but calling said player a moron seems rather silly since people are often told to do something especially when it comes to the proper way to tank and heal without the context so they simply just blindly follow the advice and thus share same advice with others. Granted he may be a mentor, but that is simply a meaningless icon / title.

In the end said player information was right, just poorly executed.

[RiyahArp]

People fear harassment because players can be jerks, and show it when empowered to do so. They will spam vote abandon, they will leave instances that can be done easily the moment anything happens, (especially tanks), and they will complain endlessly about bad players as a way to stroke their own egos, and reinforce an us versus them mindset. Adding parsers to the mix might make it even more volatile, for a game that has a very weak sense of community to begin with. Where you think this is justified or not, is up to you. But I really don't have much faith in people to act responsibly; i've changed to tank too many times to replace someone who left after one wipe in a learning trial, and seen too much forum talk for me to believe that.

[Yeol]

What I read on the forums: Lots of toxic and harassment topics.
What I see in game: Lots of nice and friendly people.

[Bongaboi]

I had one user suggest that I change classes on Susano normal. Months ago. Newsflash: can't advance in MSQ without using my main class, and it's my favorite too. Those are the types of users the red knights (read: GMs) are obligated to put to task at the Gaol.

[Sebazy]

I had one user suggest that I change classes on Susano normal. Months ago. Newsflash: can't advance in MSQ without using my main class, and it's my favorite too. Those are the types of users the red knights (read: GMs) are obligated to put to task at the Gaol.

What?

It's a pretty pointless suggestion, I'll definitely give you that, but uh, unless they worded it in with a tirade of abuse, I'm not really sure why a GM should be concerned with something like that?

[Vstarstruck]

Considering earlier tonight I died in World of Darkness because I somehow pulled Cloud of Darkness off all three tanks 3 minutes into the fight? I dunno. Seems like they needed it.

Most randoms you meet in DF fail to meet a very low bar of skill, there is a thread for this. It is as easy as I said though, and gear is a factor you need to have as well.

Not sure about the details, but I thought that due to the fact that pld only combo is their enmity one staying in sword oath is better. With proper use of shirk both tanks should be able to stay out of tank stance. I do not think this is an issue of a so called "moron" more so someone trying to fit within the moar dps mindset and maybe not executing it properly. I know of many tanks that try to tank in DPS stance without proper cooldown usage due to people telling said players that tanking in DPS is the proper way to tank without being told the added context. As I said not sure of the details but calling said player a moron seems rather silly since people are often told to do something especially when it comes to the proper way to tank and heal without the context so they simply just blindly follow the advice and thus share same advice with others. Granted he may be a mentor, but that is simply a meaningless icon / title.

In the end said player information was right, just poorly executed.

I think it was just a discussion they are complaining about, not if it was executed or not. Basically they only posted to "mock" that mentor that ended up backfiring.

[Pells]

That's correct. The reason is the tank cannot run with his 500 mobs to you (thus, breaking/vanishing all and any aoe effects under mobs feet) to get the one mob you have.

You don't need to kiss Tank, just move your mob near enough to have him range with flash or anything else to get your mob.

We tanks want to get your mobs, but we don't want chase our dps or healers mates running away because they got hate. Running to tank, not to the other side of the duty, is the best thing to do if rogue mobs break hate from tank.

Keep in mind the range of shield lob/tomahawk/unmend is 15 yalms. This is half the typical range you'd have as a dps. It's entirely possible for you to be close enough, but not the tank.

[Kinazu]

While I agree, people cannot or will not, for that matter, listen to most advice one will give even though it's meant to be helpful. I've tried to give some players advice, but it's mostly met with silence. Though I've noticed that the silent people do adapt, it showed in the dungeon. But more so than once I've been greeted by the ''You don't pay my sub'' and ''I play how I want'' sentences. Although I do agree that I don't pay their sub and I can't force them to change their playstyle to my liking. I don't mean any harm when giving advice.

I've also been on the other side, though a bit different:

I was just a scrub Arcanist who thought he was doing 'okay'. I just picked up the game and I knew the base of my class: DoTs. I entered Tam-Tara for the 2nd or 3rd time, I thought I was doing well, until the other DPS said: 'DO YOU KNOW HOW TO DOT SUMMONER????' Just like that, in full caps. I ignored it as I read Summoner. I didn' t reply. Because I had no idea what a Summoner was and I thought it was meant to one of the other party members. Then the DPS called me out again, this time with my name. It was then that I replied by telling him I wasn't a Summoner but an Arcanist. He told me that they were one and the same thing, all again in caps.
At the end of the small, but on his side heated conversation he just told me to 'git gud' and learn how to play Arcanist/Summoner.

This got me thinking. I was annoyed, but not by the fact that he called me bad or that he said I had to learn to do my job better, because I agreed. I was new to the game and had barely any experience with it. But he, he who called me out to DoT better, he must know, right? And thus I asked. I asked him how to DoT as Arcanist. But it was met with 'git gud' and 'scrub' as answers, Which did not help me in the slightest. At the end of the dungeon I almost wanted to quit the game because I thought I did everything wrong. And just because one person couldn't tell me how to do it, even though he knew. But he decided to make fun of me instead of helping me out.

So, I logged out that day. The day after I told my boyfriend what happened and he explained what that person meant: Apply all your DoTs to all enemies. Not just on one enemy at a time, which is what I did in the first place. And that made sense to me. That random player didn't take the 1-3 minutes he needed to explain such a simple thing.

In the end, that experience made me a better player, knowing how it is when someone tells you to 'git gud' but doesn't help any way beyond that. And in order to prevent that, I try my best to explain the core of a job to a new player when they ask for it, or when I see someone not catching the basics quite yet. I know it can't be learned over the course of a dungeon run, but as long as I see improvements, how small they may be, after I've given advice, I know I did something good.

[Lelila38]

That guy was an idiot for talking to you that way. A simple look at your search info, or even the fact that your icon showed Acn should have told him you were new.
There are bad apples in the community, but personally I've made the experience that most players are very friendly, especially to new players and if someone accepts advice.