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    Quote Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan View Post
    People don't like to be told their wrong.

    Just did a trial with 2 paladins.... one told the other if they want to MT they need to put their shield up.

    "Dont need it at 50"

    Apparently he didn't give a crap about enimity mechanics and being able to let OT do more DPS?

    Oh..here's the kicker...moron paladin was a mentor.

    Yeah....

    Even I knew that 2 paladins always trade off stances...even tanks....its just....a well duh.

    Oh and the speed run idiots.....yeah..gotta love those.
    Not sure about the details, but I thought that due to the fact that pld only combo is their enmity one staying in sword oath is better. With proper use of shirk both tanks should be able to stay out of tank stance. I do not think this is an issue of a so called "moron" more so someone trying to fit within the moar dps mindset and maybe not executing it properly. I know of many tanks that try to tank in DPS stance without proper cooldown usage due to people telling said players that tanking in DPS is the proper way to tank without being told the added context. As I said not sure of the details but calling said player a moron seems rather silly since people are often told to do something especially when it comes to the proper way to tank and heal without the context so they simply just blindly follow the advice and thus share same advice with others. Granted he may be a mentor, but that is simply a meaningless icon / title.

    In the end said player information was right, just poorly executed.
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    Last edited by Awha; 01-14-2018 at 08:48 PM.

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    StarRosie's Avatar
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    Sakya Malha
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    Goblin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Do I feel some people overblow things? Yes. Do I think there is some rampant out of control cry of harassment? No. Do I think there is a rampant out of control increase of harassment? Also no. Do I think some folks are so out of touch that they can't see actual harassment as actual harassment? Yes. Do I think some people are quicker to victim blame and go "Get thicker skin." to absolve themselves of guilt over being a jerk rather then admit they were a jerk? Oh heck yes! Do I think some people take well meaning advice as an attack? Yeah, but I also understand that sometimes, people just have rough days where they just want to unwind and an unsolicited, not asked for at all 'criticism' or piece of 'advice' is just the last straw that sends them into an emotional tailspin.

    Sometimes people overreact and sometimes people are insensitive. That's called being human.

    Effectively, everyone thinks their innocent and in the right and can't take it when the opposite is proven.
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    Last edited by StarRosie; 01-14-2018 at 01:59 PM.

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    SenorPatty's Avatar
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    Vice Shark
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    Samurai Lv 100
    For the "your dps sucks" line, I got it once some time back during a lvling dgn. Was either Qarn or Brayflox, one of those two.
    I remember stopping for a sec, trying to think and then finally said "Ok. How is it sucking?"
    Person said "go figure it out scrub."
    Then I said "ah so u don't know either"

    Let's just say that did not end well. I find it funny that the person who was calling me out didn't know any better and was getting more heated until he left on his own. Thinking about it back then, I can't help but laugh cause I had played the game for a few months and was just getting to know how some jobs worked. In addition, I was convinced that lvling roulette was a good place to apply theory and I figured people would actually explain if I was screwing up something.

    Guess some of them are just content to point out what someone else is doing bad only. If you are gonna do that, you need to follow up. Now if the person is still not receptive, that's out of your hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

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    Felurian Stormfury
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    Leviathan
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    I play the game for my own enjoyment, not others. There are rude, impatient, petty and downright cocky players on my server who I wouldn't lift a finger to help if their house was on fire. With that said, I just simply don't party with them or blacklist them if it's that bad. It's one less bad apple that appears on my chatbox, which makes my day the more better.
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    Merida Quigg
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    Ultros
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    Culinarian Lv 80
    I have been cursed out multiple times for just saying. "Hey can you please use aoe skills when there are 3 or more mobs?" I am always respectful in dungeons because I believe in treating someone as I would like to be treated. I also haven't seen harassment due to parsing, only bad play or people just being angry for no reason. It makes me wonder why questions and critique have become bannable offenses (it isn't, it is just certain players acting like it is as a way of shutting us up).
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by MeridaQ View Post
    I have been cursed out multiple times for just saying. "Hey can you please use aoe skills when there are 3 or more mobs?" I am always respectful in dungeons because I believe in treating someone as I would like to be treated. I also haven't seen harassment due to parsing, only bad play or people just being angry for no reason. It makes me wonder why questions and critique have become bannable offenses (it isn't, it is just certain players acting like it is as a way of shutting us up).
    I once made an entire a12s clear party upset at me back in HW by simply saying, "I don't understand why you're having me pull and use equilibrium and holmgang if the healers aren't gonna dps." Even better was half the people started saying that we didn't agree the healers should dps so that meant they could stand idle for the first ~18 seconds of the pull.
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Sagittarius
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Well people in general could do by being more thick skinned towards feedback, but only if it can be perceived as such, and not just someone looking outright nasty. It's been said many times, but there's a difference between giving someone feedback (calling them out on something they can improve on), vs deliberately getting a kicker out of attempting to cause someone misery. If the player has an issue with the former they will only set themselves up to fail, sadly. There's also a time, and a place to grab a "sledgehammer" and call someone out for under-performing DPS, and during Siresong Sea, to Doma castle certainly isn't the place for it in the majority of cases.

    But that being said, on a small topic of DPS, I partially blame the game, we've got a lot of emphasis in pushing DPS in the majority, if not everything, yet there's an entire community of players on the PS4 that get little/no indication of their performance in live combat
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    Kahori Harukawa
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    Coeurl
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    Machinist Lv 100
    I had one user suggest that I change classes on Susano normal. Months ago. Newsflash: can't advance in MSQ without using my main class, and it's my favorite too. Those are the types of users the red knights (read: GMs) are obligated to put to task at the Gaol.
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Bongaboi View Post
    I had one user suggest that I change classes on Susano normal. Months ago. Newsflash: can't advance in MSQ without using my main class, and it's my favorite too. Those are the types of users the red knights (read: GMs) are obligated to put to task at the Gaol.
    What?

    It's a pretty pointless suggestion, I'll definitely give you that, but uh, unless they worded it in with a tirade of abuse, I'm not really sure why a GM should be concerned with something like that?
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    Inglis Eucus
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    Cuchulainn
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    Reaper Lv 100
    had it happen to me other day with a tank. tank pulls large group then when my summoner use's aoe that hits all the monsters and one breaks off and says its my fauld for not being next to him. Don't thing ranged magic user or dps should be standing next to the tank. Best thing to do is say nothing and keep going till instant your in is finished and over with. them Just blacklist the one that giving you problems so don't ever get them again in a party from duty finder. Happened to me in ex dungeon on normal monsters where if your close have to keep moving to dodge there aoe attacks.
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    Last edited by hynaku; 01-14-2018 at 08:00 AM.

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