Harassment everywhere

[Bobs]

You should heed your own advice.

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You're welcome

[KaivaC]

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Perhaps not, but we are not entitled to enable or ignore another's player poor play either. If they get advice and choose to ignore it when they are playing badly, that makes them a poor player. Regardless of whether or not I know them, if I see somebody doing something that they not supposed to be doing, I will give them advice. If you're one of those individuals who immediately kicks because a player makes a mistake without first trying to help them, then yeah, you are creating a problem.

[Bobs]

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Context matters too to add to what you are saying. Kicking someone for being afk is different than kicking someone for not getting a 4k parse they can't see. There have been plenty of times where a guy says "Hay I'm new to this dungeon or job, let me know what's up." Those guys won't get pissed when you say this boss does X or putting up tanking buff is a good idea, because they asked for advice.

To go back to OP I have my suspicions of weather or not the context of the conversation was polite.

Also: It is entirely possible that "bad player" is trolling. I've seen people move around the A,B,C in raids. Or spell things out. After a wipe or two everyone just left. It's extremely easy for someone to intentionally mess up Savage. I've even seen try hard parser guy intentionally mess things up because something set him off. Like in a MOBA when a guys says "well this isn't going to work" and just sits in the base. Self fulfilling prophecy.

[KaivaC]

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Aww ...dammit. Why'd you have to give me a completely reasonable response? I was expecting a debate.
Fair enough, context is very important. Griefers and trolls are definitely here, but I think they're in the minority when compared to players who simply cannot handle any kind of advice thrown their way.

[Bernkastelx]

People are not going to improve unless you tell them what they are doing wrong, then if they choose to ignore you they can enjoy being kicked through that duty and future ones. They will catch on sooner or later.

[Gleipni]

People are not going to improve unless you tell them what they are doing wrong, then if they choose to ignore you they can enjoy being kicked through that duty and future ones. They will catch on sooner or later.

Thats a simple but right on the point comment !

I agree 100% with that,people don't make an effort ? why shoudl WE make an effort for them ?

[zuzu-bq]

People are not going to improve unless you tell them what they are doing wrong, then if they choose to ignore you they can enjoy being kicked through that duty and future ones. They will catch on sooner or later.

My exact feelings.

[Potchi]

I think what it all comes down to is that there is equal fault on both sides. Here's a breakdown of what people need to understand.

Dungeons are for learning jobs:
No one is going to come out of gate knowing a job and having mastery of it. It doesnt help that palace of the dead skyrockets them to 60 without them getting actual job training. I understand that we get impatient after running the same dungeon over and over, but we need to also understand that dungeons are the only way for people on new jobs to get field training and experience. And while I understand the impatience, we can do something about our impatient attitudes (Im guilty of it at times as well as im sure we all are). They cant do anything about being new to the job besides learn, and that is why they are in the dungeon.

With that said, this is the place for understanding, patience, and positive constructive critisism if they want it. Some people just want to learn for themselves as well and if that is the case leave them to it and dont get offended that they want to do it on their own. Thats just how some people learn the best.

Raids and ex trials are for seeking a higher mastery of your job:

So let me first say, if you are thinking of joining raids (standard omega) or ex trials, you should have a good grasp of your job. Keep in mind that people joining these may not be masters of their jobs, rotations, cool down management, etc. This is a good place for them to achieve a higher level of mastery in their job. With this area, they should be open to constructive critism if something they are doing isnt working. At this point, if they can not take constructive critisism the party has every right to kick I feel. (i.e. You suck! Get gud scrub! is NOT constructive critisism, tell the player where the error is and give a suggestion on how they can fix it.). But if they take the critisism and are trying to improve, be patient and continue helping. We all start somewhere and keep im mind, we dont all learn at the same pace.

Finally, Savage is NOT a place to learn or master your job:

Let me be to the point here. If you are going into savage content, you need to understand that you are expected to have mastery over your job. If you decide to join up for savage without having this mastery of your job, you are immediately in the wrong. Understand that if you do this, you are in fact harrassing the party you joined by wasting their time and joining content you are not prepared for. In these cases, I feel the party has the right to flat out kick someone who "repeatedly" fails to fufil the roles of their job. Now, note I said repeatedly. Keep in mind everyone makes mistakes. Dont rip someone a new one just from one mistake. Give them a chance to show you that they just had mess up and prove to you they know what they are doing before you go on the offensive.

Regardless of all of this, something everyone should keep in mind whether you like it or not. A kind word goes much farther than an aggressive one.

[Ametrine]

Well, lets enjoy it before community from world of tragedy will force square enix to implement ingame parser, so it will be the second world of wacraft with no warcraft in it. XD

Does WoW have a strong JP player base migrating to XIV? Because if the JP players aren't begging for ingame parsers, I can guarantee you we'll never see an official one.


Also, World of Tragedy lol

[Gleipni]

And let's be honnest,Wow went down went to they level down the difficulty of raid,i was there, and stop 7 month later cause it was a total joke.

Now i hope FF,one day will inplant a parse,but wont lower difficulty of raid just to "show numbers" that are acceptable for everyone